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[Hickson9]

my bird is against BLM




and she’s black, massively confused where she sits in this finger pointing game

What specifically is she against?

Black Lives Mattering? Doubtful.
Racial equality? Doubtful.

 

[Hickson9]

Completely agree with this.

This specific situation is separate from that anyway as these aren't political issues. Asking for equality for black people is not and should not be political, it is a case of basic human rights that everyone should support regardless of political leanings. And the NHS badge is in support of what they have done over the past 3 months, not a political statement on whether it should exist or levels of funding etc.

Huzzah!

This is all it really is.

 

[Wizard]

We bring about change through politics, all Human rights are brought into our lives by political process it's only through politics they can be enshrined in law etc. Events outside politics bring pressure, like George Floyd. However, much energy by the UK BLM was brought about by our Government omissions in the COVID report that covered ethnicity, a political misstep that has brought home loads of positive pressures...

I agree that politics will be the end game here because as you say, we will need laws to help some of the issues that relate to BLM. Some of the issues are not based on legality though, they are based on people being decent and sensible human beings and society sorting itself out to be fairer. At its heart it is not a political situation. Black people should have equality and that is not political. There is no political argument to deny that.

EDIT: By laws relating to BLM, I mean things like stop and search and just general discrimination. Not the pretend crimes BLM supporters have been falsely accused of doing in the past few weeks

 

[dead_soft]

OK I'll try and phrase it in as clear way as possible what my view is.

Yes, I agree with the words "Black Lives Matter" and I firmly agree with the concept of racial equality.

Also, I disagree with quite a few of the aims and actions of Black Lives Matter as a movement, as I feel they are often counter productive.

I can't really add more to that so it's up to you to interpret that however you wish.

Which aims and actions of the Black Lives Matter movement do you disagree with?

Do you have to agree with every single aim of a political movement to offer it broad support?

 

[nsno-chris]

What specifically is she against?

Black Lives Mattering? Doubtful.
Racial equality? Doubtful.

How do you have the audacity to tell me what my bird, who is black, is against because it doesn’t fit your argument.

 

[Tubey]

How do you have the audacity to tell me what my bird, who is black, is against because it doesn’t fit your argument.

She disagrees with how they've gone about it right, rather than the overarching aims?

Sounds reasonable to me, but sorry she's now black Hitler for her views.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Which aims and actions of the Black Lives Matter movement do you disagree with?

Do you have to agree with every single aim of a political movement to offer it broad support?

I strongly disagree with any objective to defund the police.

They've very recently updated their website to be less against capitalism so I'm no longer sure on their view.

 

[dead_soft]

I strongly disagree with any objective to defund the police.

They've very recently updated their website to be less against capitalism so I'm no longer sure on their view.

That's more of an aim within the US - do you think they are appropriately funded there now? I find it very persuasive to suggest that funding should be diverted from the police in to community groups and local activism. Better supported people are less likely to be criminals and so the police would be less needed

 

[nsno-chris]

She disagrees with how they've gone about it right, rather than the overarching aims?

Sounds reasonable to me, but sorry she's now black Hitler for her views.

Basically, yep.

she’s also very critical about the difference of opportunities in USA to U.K., stating that the U.K. is far more progressive with our rights compared to the USA.

The Hitler thing maybe true though, she does always call me a White Devil; I’m sure she’s the racist one

 

[GrandOldTeam]

That's more of an aim within the US - do you think they are appropriately funded there now? I find it very persuasive to suggest that funding should be diverted from the police in to community groups and local activism. Better supported people are less likely to be criminals and so the police would be less needed

Disagree mate.

I'm more qualified to talk crime than I am Everton, and police need more funding, not the opposite. Particularly prisons/probation.

That's all another argument though and it's baggage that is counter productive IMO.

 

[Hickson9]

How do you have the audacity to tell me what my bird, who is black, is against because it doesn’t fit your argument.

Poor deflection.

You didn't answer the question.

What is she specifically against?

And let me know if my doubt about her being against racial equality or black lives mattering is wrong.

Interesting use of the word bird as well. I'm sure she loves that.

 

[Disgruntledgoat]

To be fair, it is in the top 2 of bang awful sporting songs.

I dont consider "USA USA USA" to be a song.

Nothing like a bunch of country squires, public school boys and bankers singing an old slave song is there?

 

[dead_soft]

Disagree mate.

I'm more qualified to talk crime than I am Everton, and police need more funding, not the opposite. Particularly prisons/probation.

That's all another argument though and it's baggage that is counter productive IMO.

I'd be very interested to hear the reasons why police need more funding - certainly in the US - genuinely, not trying to be sarcastic but difficult to get that across.

I don't think it's counter productive for US side of BLM to call for that when most of their issues stem from police brutality.

But, as it's not really a major thing within UK BLM, I'd be interested to know what other issues you have with the movement? A lot that I've seen seem to be people with issues with 'censorship' of media which isn't an aim of BLM, or the statues, which seems a fairly small point in the grander scheme of things.

 

[Hickson9]

I'd be very interested to hear the reasons why police need more funding - certainly in the US - genuinely, not trying to be sarcastic but difficult to get that across.

I don't think it's counter productive for US side of BLM to call for that when most of their issues stem from police brutality.

But, as it's not really a major thing within UK BLM, I'd be interested to know what other issues you have with the movement? A lot that I've seen seem to be people with issues with 'censorship' of media which isn't an aim of BLM, or the statues, which seems a fairly small point in the grander scheme of things.

It is really difficult to get people to actually say on here what their issues are with black lives matter in the UK.

 

[Disgruntledgoat]

I'd be very interested to hear the reasons why police need more funding - certainly in the US - genuinely, not trying to be sarcastic but difficult to get that across.

I don't think it's counter productive for US side of BLM to call for that when most of their issues stem from police brutality.

But, as it's not really a major thing within UK BLM, I'd be interested to know what other issues you have with the movement? A lot that I've seen seem to be people with issues with 'censorship' of media which isn't an aim of BLM, or the statues, which seems a fairly small point in the grander scheme of things.

Policing in the US and the UK are completely different kettles of fish, though. I don't think its contradictory to argue that a militarised force being used as every thing from crowd control to mental health services who are responding to protests about police brutality with more brutality could stand to have their wings clipped a little whilst a force in the UK that seeks to police by consent and have seen 20% of their numbers taken away in recent years and struggle to fulfill their mission could stand to have more resources.