tsubaki
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“BLM RIOTERS LOOT FASCIST” would have been a great headline tho
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“BLM RIOTERS LOOT FASCIST” would have been a great headline tho
dead_soft
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That’s an easy one,says the man advocating stripping people of their human rights whilst comparing mass murderers to a six year old who has drawn on the walls in crayon
The binman chronicles
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That probably is the Daily Mail headline for today.
Papa Shango
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It's not an easy one at all.
They are not kids they are dangerous people.
You do know prisons are not only full of staff who are big burly prison guards right?
ForeverBlue92
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They are not made to work in prisons mate - they can find other work if the job is too tough for them. I just think its disgusting how someone can take another persons life and be out of prison 15 years later - NEA about risk or harm thats not adequate justice.
I do think prison officers need better pay though for what they have to put up with - my uncle used to work at Broadmoor for many years before he retired and he had some stories.
Bishop Thumpety-Thump
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If only you'd listened to them.
ForeverBlue92
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My opinion is one shared by millions up and down the country - you'll never convince me otherwise that someone capable of raping and murdering another human being deserves to walk free in our society again so lets leave it at that.
Victim - life sentence
Victims family - life sentence
Perpetrator who had the choice but decided to do horrific acts - possibility of one day out into society.
Its abhorrent and makes a mockery of any hopes of fair play / decency / justice in a society.
Ultimately a society without justice quickly crumbles into anarchy when people feel like life is cheap and thats exactly what it becomes when you advocate easy sentencing.
Your/my life is worth alot more than 15 years so let the sentencing start reflecting that.
Have to say mate, for someone who’s said he’s centre left countless times I am yet to see anything from you to suggest your centre left leanings.
A lot of your views place you firmly on the right wing, even venturing towards the far right at times.
What is it that’s puts you back towards the left?
tsubaki
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It’s certainly been sold to you as being that, but just think about it. Locking murderers up and throwing away they key means (to use the most immediate example) the scum of the second London Bridge attack would have murdered more people.
Wasn't the guy who did it released in the first instance because of a rehab failure?
Can't remember precisely but I'm pretty sure he was.
For me, rapists can be reformed - loads of factors into risk factors for that crime. Same with murders that were not necessarily premeditated.
Child murderers, serial killers, pedophiles though, nah I don't think there's a chance of it. Sentencing is ridiculously lenient.
I'm not as hardline as you are on this but I agree the scales have tipped too far the other way as they currently stand and sentences for certain things need to be much more severe. Not because they'd be a deterrent, but because the people who commit them will probably do it again when out. If you look at the people given whole life tariffs, for example, a lot of them are people who committed a murder and were released.
he was released halfway through his sentence , I mean clearly rehab failed because he reoffended in a Horrific manner but I’m not sure there was an administrative error . Also he wasn’t originally away for murder so wouldn’t have been jailed for life under @ForeverBlue92 proposals.
tsubaki
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Nope, he’d been given an indeterminate sentence which was then deemed (in a separate case) illegal, so he had to do his minimum term for the offences he’d been convicted of and then let out.
Johnson claimed it was Labours fault for bringing in indeterminate sentencing (and they were a completely stupid idea). Of course the reason why they’d been brought in is because of exactly the same dickish hang em and flog em cretin politics we see here.
He`s just been on the morning telly, with his mate who helped too.
They both deserve to be properly recognised for this with an award for their bravery and selflessness.
The easy option would`ve been to say " he`s right wing scum, leave him to his fate "
It`s possibly the most uplifting thing that`s come out of all this, since it started.
Papa Shango
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Like NHS and Admin staff? Many of them don't have that choice.
I don't disagree with keeping a murderer in for life although there are different kinds of murder so each case is individual.
I just think its really sloppy thinking when people say prisoners should not have privileges etc. You need that bargaining power especially with people who have pretty much given up caring about anything.
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