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[ForeverBlue92]

Wow

Absolute drivel.

10 years of Tory rule says otherwise.

Maybe leave your cosy bubble and go into a god forbid council estate and speak to people and see how they really feel.

You'll be shocked to find that the majority are not well to do white privileged folk who hold racist views and only vote Tory for the loolz.

Nothing I will say will convince you so go speak to these people.

 

[mill]

I'll throw you a curveball - do police in America target black people more because they are black or because they believe they are more likely to be upto no good?

Whats the difference?

Was the George Floyd murder racially motivated or was it just police brutality in the same way that arl white bloke was shoved to the ground suffering a brain injury?

Becomes a slippery slope when you choose what you want to be racially motivated or not.

Im happier to call a spade a spade and that any group that targets predominantly victims from another group has some sort of discriminating reason in mind.

The police in America target black people more because they are black and so they believe they are more likely to be up to no good.

That is the issue. That’s the stereotype. That’s the racism. Right there.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

The police in America target black people more because they are black and so they believe they are more likely to be up to no good.

That is the issue. That’s the stereotype. That’s the racism. Right there.

So the rotherham grooming gang thinking white girls are "easy" in comparison to girls of their own community is just equally a racially charged stereotype - no?

 

[Harryflashman]

10 years of Tory rule says otherwise.

Maybe leave your bubble and go into a god forbid council estate and speak to people and how they really feel.

You'll be shocked that the majority are not well to do white privileged folk who hold racist views and only vote Tory for the lolz.

Nothing I will say will convince you so go on go speak to these people.

here’s a thing why do you get to speak for and lecture everyone on the working class ? The vast majority of this forum seem to be from a working class upbringing. you seem To be of a mind that you’re the voice of the disenfranchised working class .

You’re right though The Labour Party lost touch with a lot of its traditional support in the last ejection but the working class of our city Voted overwhelmingly for a labour government in the last election. so yeah you might have a grasp on what folks in Blackpool or Sunderland think and you’re very possibly right but as regards the estates of Liverpool it seems a few might be better connected than you to be honest .

 

[Barnfred 55]

That is very true. There are so many angry people at the moment. They're everywhere.

The country is so divided. A lot of the blame for that is our media which sows the seeds which are then ramped up by social media.

 

[Harryflashman]

The country is so divided. A lot of the blame for that is our media which sows the seeds which are then ramped up by social media.

the media take their share but I said earlier look at SYL and Farage they ramped up yesterday then didn’t even turn up . They aren’t only snakes they’re cowards .

 

[Kenshin]

10 years of Tory rule says otherwise.

Maybe leave your cosy bubble and go into a god forbid council estate and speak to people and see how they really feel.

You'll be shocked to find that the majority are not well to do white privileged folk who hold racist views and only vote Tory for the loolz.

Nothing I will say will convince you so go speak to these people.

I find that many people forget about this point.

Your typical council estate residents are a world away from everything else but are constantly dismissed in the public awareness.

No matter the subject matter, the middle class upwards only consider things from their viewpoint and often forget just how many people are below them who may have opposing viewpoints.

That's what amuses me about the social media culture we have today. The hive mind opinion that they are right forget just how many actually have a justifiable different viewpoint. They are the patriots of the country , the ones who graft for a living and sadly in many cases have the wrong side of the thin blue line.

And if those lower class people decided to band together to form Thier own opinion , those above them would label them racist, facist, thugs etc.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

here’s a thing why do you get to speak for and lecture everyone on the working class ? The vast majority of this forum seem to be from a working class upbringing. you seem To be of a mind that you’re the voice of the disenfranchised working class .

You’re right though The Labour Party lost touch with a lot of its traditional support in the last ejection but the working class of our city Voted overwhelmingly for a labour government in the last election. so yeah you might have a grasp on what folks in Blackpool or Sunderland think and you’re very possibly right but as regards the estates of Liverpool it seems a few might be better connected than you to be honest .

Being from Liverpool its fair to say Tories could offer us all a Blowie off Patel herself and we would still vote Labour regardless of how bad they are because of our cities history with the Tory party.

I personally haven't voted for years because I couldn't bring myself to vote for the Tories and their self serving Eton bunch but likewise I couldn't vote for a Labour party who are just as much out of touch with the working class these days.

I would say our city is a unique case however - plenty of traditional labour strongholds have fallen Tory in recent years and I imagine most feel as disenfranchised with them as me just that they feel a need to vote whereas I refuse to do so.

 

[Kenshin]

The country is so divided. A lot of the blame for that is our media which sows the seeds which are then ramped up by social media.

That and the hive minded social media generation.

 

[Harryflashman]

Being from Liverpool its fair to say Tories could offer us all a Blowie off Patel herself and we would still vote Labour regardless of how bad they are because of our cities history with the Tory.

I personally haven't voted for years because I couldn't bring myself to vote for the Tories and their self serving Eton bunch but likewise I couldn't vote for a Labour party who are just as much out of touch with the working class these days.

I would say our city is a unique case however - plenty of traditional labour strongholds have fallen Tory in recent years and I imagine most feel as disembodied with them as me just that they feel a need to vote whereas I refuse to do so.

thats fine but you do come across a little as of your lecturing people about the working class and that they need to do this and that . You have an opinion and others disagree , doesn’t make your opinion Right or the opposite the case .

You have your opinion based on your beliefs and experiences but so do others . The election results would indicate that many agreed and got onboard with Johnson on many factors but that Doesn't extend to mean whatever else you say gets the same implicit support .

 

[Moomin]

I find that many people forget about this point.

Your typical council estate residents are a world away from everything else but are constantly dismissed in the public awareness.

No matter the subject matter, the middle class upwards only consider things from their viewpoint and often forget just how many people are below them who may have opposing viewpoints.

That's what amuses me about the social media culture we have today. The hive mind opinion that they are right forget just how many actually have a justifiable different viewpoint. They are the patriots of the country , the ones who graft for a living and sadly in many cases have the wrong side of the thin blue line.

And if those lower class people decided to band together to form Thier own opinion , those above them would label them racist, facist, thugs etc.

Did you pretend to be black while you wrote that?

 

[Kenshin]

Did you pretend to be black while you wrote that?

Do you only know how to spell that one sentence ?

 

[JimmyJeffers]

Being from Liverpool its fair to say Tories could offer us all a Blowie off Patel herself and we would still vote Labour regardless of how bad they are because of our cities history with the Tory party.

I personally haven't voted for years because I couldn't bring myself to vote for the Tories and their self serving Eton bunch but likewise I couldn't vote for a Labour party who are just as much out of touch with the working class these days.

I would say our city is a unique case however - plenty of traditional labour strongholds have fallen Tory in recent years and I imagine most feel as disenfranchised with them as me just that they feel a need to vote whereas I refuse to do so.

People say labour are out of touch for not pandering to stoked up racism. The argument that people’s lives were dire due to complex socio-economic factors is a lot more difficult to broadcast than the one that it’s due to foreigners. It’s not that labour didn’t listen to the working class, it’s that many people wanted labour to say something else.
Personally, I’m largely proud of them for doing so. You stick to your principles.

 

[Moomin]

Do you only know how to spell that one sentence ?

Did you put shoe polish on to spell that sentence?

 

[mill]

So the rotherham grooming gang thinking white girls are "easy" in comparison to girls of their own community is just equally a racially charged stereotype - no?

What is the argument that you are trying to make?

are you trying to deny that racism is a problem? Are you trying to say that white people experience racism in the same way as people of colour do?

I think your example is a poor one. Grooming gangs prey on the vulnerable. That’s what motivates their choice of victim. That they are vulnerable. They look for children who are poor. From broken homes. Easily manipulated.

This is a group of men that preyed on vulnerable children. It’s despicable.

The majority of grooming gangs are white men. Yet you choose this particular case as the perpetrators were Pakistani. Do the other cases not bother you? As you haven’t mentioned those?

No one is denying white people experience prejudice. No one is saying that there aren’t people of colour who do bad things.

but you are still applying these things at an individual level. Your example are all individual. You will be able to find an example of more or less anything you want. But it doesn’t make the issue systemic.

Your example is a false equivalency.