Current Affairs London Protests

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peteblue said:
I don’t really care what you do with the statues wherever you live. I think it’s cultural vandalism, but if you want to remove them fine, but what next, history books ? What has happened has happened.

The vast majority of people in this country do not have a racist thought in their heads. People are People, lots of colours, shapes, sounds and sizes. We just are what we are. If someone is being treated badly in work, in life or even on the Internet, there are mountains of legal legislation that can be utilised to put a stop to it. Meanwhile people like myself and my friends, who have effectively been locked up for three months, look at these protests and see hoards of white people ignoring social distancing so that they can show their anger on behalf of black people...and then trash National Monuments celebrating our dead and the man who led the country through a world war for good measure. You do not get meaningful change by poking people in the eye. The protests would carry far more weight and get the message across if done in a solemn manner, by the people really affected, and not the liberal whites and trouble makers.

Like it or not but the country is divided by cities/towns. Just look at any set of GE results. Politically cities are broadly Labour and the country is mostly Conservative. People also behave differently and have a different attitude to what is really important in life. There are differences between people of different colours, religion, accent, political beliefs, historical nationalities, football loyalty......the list goes on.

But some things unite us, all of us, and for that I am thankful......
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My personal view is that all history is history and it is the discussion and framing of it that is the important thing.

However, I think the statute in Bristol wasn't there to educate it was there to celebrate and numerous attempts to alter that were blocked.
This is the wording on the statute from Heritage England:
“Edward Colston (1636-1721) was the son of a prosperous Bristol merchant; … Colston established his own successful business in London, trading with Spain, Portugal, Italy, and Africa. The details of precisely how Colston’s fortune was accumulated are not recorded, but his business interests were wide. Besides trading extensively in various commodities, including cloth and wine, he acted as a money-lender, and had interests in the West Indian island of St Kitts. In 1680 he became a shareholder in the Royal African Company. The Company, which had been founded in 1672 in place of the Royal Adventurers, had a monopoly on trade with Africa until 1688, after which time it received fees from English traders. Colston took a leading role in the Company, serving on several committees, and becoming deputy governor in 1689."

I'm not sure that really does the job.
 
peteblue said:
I don’t really care what you do with the statues wherever you live. I think it’s cultural vandalism, but if you want to remove them fine, but what next, history books ? What has happened has happened.
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This just doesn't hold up. 'What next, history books?' I mean, we should definitely be looking at how history is taught in this country so sure, we can look at them. We remove buildings, change names, move statues all the time - Goodison Park has stood for over a century and that's being demolished in a few years. So, why is removing these statues cultural vandalism? Or do you think everything over a certain age should be preserved?

peteblue said:
The vast majority of people in this country do not have a racist thought in their heads.
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This is quite a bold statement to be making, but I've not actually seen much of BLM saying you or anyone you know is a racist?

peteblue said:
People are People, lots of colours, shapes, sounds and sizes. We just are what we are. If someone is being treated badly in work, in life or even on the Internet, there are mountains of legal legislation that can be utilised to put a stop to it.
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It is very difficult to get this in process and it's not the point of these protests and it misses a much wider point about systematic and inherent bias.

peteblue said:
Meanwhile people like myself and my friends, who have effectively been locked up for three month
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Poor Petey's Pals.

peteblue said:
look at these protests and see hoards of white people ignoring social distancing so that they can show their anger on behalf of black people...
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This is not true nor does it change whether there is racism in this country. It's a pretty snide argument to lie that it's white people and not black people who are marching here.

peteblue said:
and then trash National Monuments celebrating our dead and the man who led the country through a world war for good measure. You do not get meaningful change by poking people in the eye. The protests would carry far more weight and get the message across if done in a solemn manner, by the people really affected, and not the liberal whites and trouble makers.
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It's by plenty of people it affects, it is a lie to say otherwise. Just because you'd love it to be true, and because you've read it from Rod Liddle doesn't make it true. From everything you've said you don't think these protests have a point as there's limited racism here so I don't think they'd ever get the message across to people like you. 'Done in a solemn manner' is the language of people who would just rather not hear from protests that may affect their world

peteblue said:
Like it or not but the country is divided by cities/towns. Just look at any set of GE results. Politically cities are broadly Labour and the country is mostly Conservative. People also behave differently and have a different attitude to what is really important in life. There are differences between people of different colours, religion, accent, political beliefs, historical nationalities, football loyalty......the list goes on.
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This is just an odd one that has no relationship to the argument. You suggested that slavery only benefited the cities. This is untrue. It is not just cities that are protesting, people are travelling in to cities to protest. It's hard not to think you mean something else when you try and divide the country into cities/towns and the rest.
 
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peteblue said:
I don’t really care what you do with the statues wherever you live. I think it’s cultural vandalism, but if you want to remove them fine, but what next, history books ? What has happened has happened.

The vast majority of people in this country do not have a racist thought in their heads. People are People, lots of colours, shapes, sounds and sizes. We just are what we are. If someone is being treated badly in work, in life or even on the Internet, there are mountains of legal legislation that can be utilised to put a stop to it. Meanwhile people like myself and my friends, who have effectively been locked up for three months, look at these protests and see hoards of white people ignoring social distancing so that they can show their anger on behalf of black people...and then trash National Monuments celebrating our dead and the man who led the country through a world war for good measure. You do not get meaningful change by poking people in the eye. The protests would carry far more weight and get the message across if done in a solemn manner, by the people really affected, and not the liberal whites and trouble makers.

Like it or not but the country is divided by cities/towns. Just look at any set of GE results. Politically cities are broadly Labour and the country is mostly Conservative. People also behave differently and have a different attitude to what is really important in life. There are differences between people of different colours, religion, accent, political beliefs, historical nationalities, football loyalty......the list goes on.

But some things unite us, all of us, and for that I am thankful......
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We should be doing something about modern day slavery , rather than worry about statues,
there were hundreds of cases last year in the UK and possibly millions around the world living in it,in its diffrent forms.
 
Debunkology said:
I think it’s much more healthier to teach black people in places like the UK and USA. That they can ultimately be anything they want to be as long as they work hard and try hard enough for it. Educate them that racism does exist, but this is the minority, and it happens in all races and cultures, and these people are idiots.

Far more healthier than telling them that they live in a society which is dominated by Institutional racism. This gives off the impression to them that most people are racist at the worst and also takes personal responsibility away from them. That every problem they face is not the fault of their own, but of others.

A victim mentality complex is one of the worst personality traits you can impose on a human being. Leading to pessimism, apathy, and helplessness.
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Horrifically patronising attitude, like reading the words of a confederate patriot in 1861
 
edge said:
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We should be doing something about modern day slavery , rather than worry about statues,
there were hundreds of cases last year in the UK and possibly millions around the world living in it,in its diffrent forms.
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Yep, lots more can be done. There are a lot of people working on it and the Modern Slavery Act was a push in the right direction but unfortunately didn't go far enough. A Home Office that promoted the hostile environment also hurt those facing Modern Slavery

It's been good to see The Guardian give it a lot of prominence, though obviously they have to report on other things to.

I don't think BLM or similar protests would have any issue with you joining their protests to help fight against they many BAME people who face the issues created by modern slavery (obviously there are also many white people affected and I'm sure most within these protests would want to help any race escape modern slavery). What are your usual avenues for protest and change on this issue? I'd love to be able to help so if you can tell me what you're doing I might be able to get started
 
edge said:
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We should be do something about modern day slavery , rather than worry about statues,
there were hundreds of cases last year in the UK and possibly millions around the world living in it,in its diffrent forms.
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We can do both - topple the statues and doing something about modern day slavery. Maybe we all could start by boycotting the fruit and veg that comes from the slave fields of Southern Spain.

Fruit labourers: 'If you don't want to work like a slave, you're ...
www.bbc.co.uk › news › world-europe-52319537 › fr...

From 2011 and nothing has been done.

Spain's salad growers are modern-day slaves, say charities ...
www.theguardian.com › business › feb › spain-salad-gr...
 
dead_soft said:
Yep, lots more can be done. There are a lot of people working on it and the Modern Slavery Act was a push in the right direction but unfortunately didn't go far enough. A Home Office that promoted the hostile environment also hurt those facing Modern Slavery

It's been good to see The Guardian give it a lot of prominence, though obviously they have to report on other things to.

I don't think BLM or similar protests would have any issue with you joining their protests to help fight against they many BAME people who face the issues created by modern slavery (obviously there are also many white people affected and I'm sure most within these protests would want to help any race escape modern slavery). What are your usual avenues for protest and change on this issue? I'd love to be able to help so if you can tell me what you're doing I might be able to get started
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i havnt been on a protest, but give a donation to these guys ,https://www.antislavery.org/ every now and again you can do it through paypal( currently giving my monthly charity donations, to st josephs hospice , knights of st columba,and Kirkdale abc to feed people affected by the current crisis, they have given out something like 6000 meals in the local area in the last 10 or so weeks)l bit lazy but it helps, suppose that makes me armchair supporter in reality.
 
edge said:
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We should be doing something about modern day slavery , rather than worry about statues,
there were hundreds of cases last year in the UK and possibly millions around the world living in it,in its diffrent forms.
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I was talking to a mate of mine yesterday who said the exact same thing.....
 
edge said:
i havnt been on a protest, but give a donation to these guys ,https://www.antislavery.org/ every now and again you can do it through paypal( currently giving my monthly charity donations, to st josephs hospice , knights of st columba,and Kirkdale abc to feed people affected by the current crisis, they have given out something like 6000 meals in the local area in the last 10 or so weeks)l bit lazy but it helps, suppose that makes me armchair supporter in reality.
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thats a good whack, personally I think anyone doingwhatever they can is good and shouldn’t be derided as lazy when it’s possible to just do nothing. I’m sure many on BLM protests would fully support you too
 
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