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[ChesterBlue]

If we lived in a Islamic system/culture how many wives would you have lad?

One - I’m not sure I could handle the shame of disappointing a whole harem

 

[tsubaki]

Hello Kevin, I see you’re still fighting the good fight. I just wanted to ask, now that it’s clear the guy had converted to Christianity, does Christianity need to reform?

Currently Kev is nailing his 95 faeces to the door of the nearest church in a call for reform.

 

[LinekersLegs]

Really hope this is just being extra cautious

 

[Toffeeslam]

Educate myself to the point where I understand that every Islamic society might to western eyes be repressive, but that that repression has nothing to do with the precepts laid down under islamic law. I'm sorry. but that just won't wash. I don't need to be a practising Muslim to understand that the societies created through adherence to the religion are ones which no 'progressive' would want to live in. And the real problem is the reluctance to change. Or even to engage. Criticism of the religion is an offence potentially punishable by death. How is a society ever going to rid itself of its appalling attitudes to women gays jews democracy and freedom of speech if you can be under a death sentence just for raising the subject.

Bet you have never read a line from the book of that major religion but are telling me and the world what’s wrong with it without qualifying questionable text from other major religions.

This is why you will always be a bigot because if your going to criticise this particular religion for oppressive practices you should be critical of all religions.

If you understand that this practices are there with context and until you have read, understood the text in question and understood the nuances behind said practices you can’t be taken seriously.

Also all religions have questionable verses or messages that was acceptable in the thousand plus years they were formed.

Lastly the Quran is a extension of both Judaism and Christianity as one of the verses says it confirms what’s in those text and goes further, so where’s your criticism of those religions ?

 

[trueblue84]

Bet you have never read a line from the book of that major religion but are telling me and the world what’s wrong with it without qualifying questionable text from other major religions.

This is why you will always be a bigot because if your going to criticise this particular religion for oppressive practices you should be critical of all religions.

If you understand that this practices are there with context and until you have read, understood the text in question and understood the nuances behind said practices you can’t be taken seriously.

Also all religions have questionable verses or messages that was acceptable in the thousand plus years they were formed.

Lastly the Quran is a extension of both Judaism and Christianity as one of the verses says it confirms what’s in those text and goes further, so where’s your criticism of those religions ?

The Qur'an copies large sections of the old testament and references both the Bible and the Torah, so is no different to Christianity or Judaism from a literary point of view.

But, you know.... Muslims.

 

[Tin-Tin]

Yep did not occur to me. Could be a separate address.

I thought it was put out that he only recently moved from one of the streets to another. Maybe the reason both are being looked at.

 

[LostLegend]

 

[Kev50]

Bet you have never read a line from the book of that major religion but are telling me and the world what’s wrong with it without qualifying questionable text from other major religions.

This is why you will always be a bigot because if your going to criticise this particular religion for oppressive practices you should be critical of all religions.

If you understand that this practices are there with context and until you have read, understood the text in question and understood the nuances behind said practices you can’t be taken seriously.

Also all religions have questionable verses or messages that was acceptable in the thousand plus years they were formed.

Lastly the Quran is a extension of both Judaism and Christianity as one of the verses says it confirms what’s in those text and goes further, so where’s your criticism of those religions ?

The criticism lies in its failure to date to move with the times. Any sort of criticism of verses written hundreds of years ago is met with overwhelming resistance, and sometimes the deaths of the people involved. it is laughable that your approach is 'islam is just like any other religion'. It clearly isn't, is it? Where is the islamic equivalent of Life of Brian? You could say Rushdie's Satanic Verses, but he has been under a sentence of death for the last 30 years. John. Cleese, not so much. The inability of the religious leaders to brook any sort of dissent or criticism, to threaten and sometimes murder people criticising th religion is a damning indictment of the religion's failure to modernise. And it seems to be getting worse, not better. Women in islamic society have a much harder time now than even 30 years ago.
I'm not surprised you call me a bigot so readily. It is standard operating procedure for all who wish to silence this debate. And to be fair, it has to date proved remarkably effective.

 

[Connor mcloud]

Just to sidetrack this a little, is it permissible for a Muslim to share a house ( hmo or whatever) with a non Muslim or does this depend on how religious they are?

 

[Kev50]

Currently Kev is nailing his 95 faeces to the door of the nearest church in a call for reform.

that's what you do isn't it. Smear people. You don't like to discuss these issues cos you know you are on a sticky wicket, so much easier to make these vile insinuations. Bigot, racist, vomit, whatever. You're a complete bellend.

 

[Ruairi77]

TBF this is something I disagree with - it’s the responsibility of every individual to observe peaceful relations with every other individual, but it’s not to be held to some other level of responsibility because someone professing the same faith (or politics, allegiance, clan or whatever) has done something wrong.

Saying to “good Muslims” that they’ve got to condemn a thing is as bad as calling for good men to condemn rapists, or calling for good Westerners to condemn the antics of Blair or Bush. It fairly quickly leads to communities being targeted, as we see here.

I think the point I'm trying to make is that it's up to both the faith and community (both religious and social) to spot signs of extreme action and have systems in place to deal with it.
I lived about two blocks form the Tsarnaev brothers who were responsible for the Boston bombing. After the attack there were lots of stories about the older brother and all the tell tale signs that no one picked up on.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that I feel that there is a level of responsibility that lies with community but that's not specific to religious communities, it's everyones responsibility. It's a thorny issue but a lot of people dropped the ball by ignoring the actions of the older Tsarnaev brother (his friends, his gym, his church etc.).
And I'm not espousing going straight to the cops, there has to be some better form of intervention.

 

[Toffeeslam]

The criticism lies in its failure to date to move with the times. Any sort of criticism of verses written hundreds of years ago is met with overwhelming resistance, and sometimes the deaths of the people involved. it is laughable that your approach is 'islam is just like any other religion'. It clearly isn't, is it? Where is the islamic equivalent of Life of Brian? You could say Rushdie's Satanic Verses, but he has been under a sentence of death for the last 30 years. John. Cleese, not so much. The inability of the religious leaders to brook any sort of dissent or criticism, to threaten and sometimes murder people criticising th religion is a damning indictment of the religion's failure to modernise. And it seems to be getting worse, not better. Women in islamic society have a much harder time now than even 30 years ago.
I'm not surprised you call me a bigot so readily. It is standard operating procedure for all who wish to silence this debate. And to be fair, it has to date proved remarkably effective.

So it’s not the religion so much but those who are intolerant of criticism of it…..that’s what your saying then ?

Have you ever spoken to Muslim women regarding what their experiences are over the last 30 years ? That’s some assumption from someone who has never read a word from the text.

Or again are you just singled out one religion because of your bias and bigotry and that is the very definition of xenophobia.

 

[trueblue84]

The criticism lies in its failure to date to move with the times. Any sort of criticism of verses written hundreds of years ago is met with overwhelming resistance, and sometimes the deaths of the people involved. it is laughable that your approach is 'islam is just like any other religion'. It clearly isn't, is it? Where is the islamic equivalent of Life of Brian? You could say Rushdie's Satanic Verses, but he has been under a sentence of death for the last 30 years. John. Cleese, not so much. The inability of the religious leaders to brook any sort of dissent or criticism, to threaten and sometimes murder people criticising th religion is a damning indictment of the religion's failure to modernise. And it seems to be getting worse, not better. Women in islamic society have a much harder time now than even 30 years ago.
I'm not surprised you call me a bigot so readily. It is standard operating procedure for all who wish to silence this debate. And to be fair, it has to date proved remarkably effective.

The christian church has interfered in loads of stuff and tried to ban the life of brian.

You have a very blinkered view of islam. Do you not read about Uyghur Muslims being murdered, or Buddhists (including monks) attacking muslims on a daily basis?

That is just 2 recent examples that spring to mind. They are going through it daily, not once every blue moon when some nutter decides to blow himself up in a western city.

Out of interest, given your strong views on reformation of archaic religions; What are your views on female genital mutilation or circumsision? What are your views on the Catholic church consistently refusing to eradicate paedophilia from its ranks? What are your views on the westboro Baptist church picketing funerals or opus dei's teachings of self mortification? What about women being denied senior roles in the Catholic church?

Christianity has only become more moderate because it is becoming less relevant in a more educated and less impoverished society. When African and middle Eastern countries (backed by the west) give their people access to basic amenities, you'll find they mellow and lose interest in the comfort blanket of religion.

 

[Kurt.]

The criticism lies in its failure to date to move with the times. Any sort of criticism of verses written hundreds of years ago is met with overwhelming resistance, and sometimes the deaths of the people involved. it is laughable that your approach is 'islam is just like any other religion'. It clearly isn't, is it? Where is the islamic equivalent of Life of Brian? You could say Rushdie's Satanic Verses, but he has been under a sentence of death for the last 30 years. John. Cleese, not so much. The inability of the religious leaders to brook any sort of dissent or criticism, to threaten and sometimes murder people criticising th religion is a damning indictment of the religion's failure to modernise. And it seems to be getting worse, not better. Women in islamic society have a much harder time now than even 30 years ago.
I'm not surprised you call me a bigot so readily. It is standard operating procedure for all who wish to silence this debate. And to be fair, it has to date proved remarkably effective.

John Cleese wouldn’t be a huge loss ….

 

[Kev50]

So it’s not the religion so much but those who are intolerant of criticism of it…..that’s what your saying then ?

Have you ever spoken to Muslim women regarding what their experiences are over the last 30 years ? That’s some assumption from someone who has never read a word from the text.

Or again are you just singled out one religion because of your bias and bigotry and that is the very definition of xenophobia.

yes, I've spoken to Muslims sometimes on a daily basis. My best mate was Muslim at uni. You see, I separate out the people from the religion. The religion is causing a problem (a massive one for the west) because the islamic verses are treated as the word of god, not to be challenged under any circumstances. Anyone who tries had better watch out. This idea, what I've singled out Islam cos I don't like foreigners is so lame it's laughable. You're going to have to do better than that.