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Kev50 said:
I don't think I said Muslims are our enemy? I'm trying to say we need to talk not about Kevin but about Islam.
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It's quite interesting this though.

You have came in asking for a discussion and a discussion is being given.

You then ask for examples of other religious terrorism and they are given. Are you going to ignore them because if so really its not a discussion it's just some bias confirmation being sought. (I don't think its that, you have never struck me as that type)

I think its important in bad times not to start attacking but to reflect instead and ask the right questions.

Take the answers on board, there is no shame in not knowing about the above mentioned incidents, you would have to be going out of your way to know about them as they are not reported as much so most people will be in the same boat. If someone is giving you extra knowledge use it and recalculate opinions.

Sorry that sounds really sanctimonious and it's not meant to be, I just think people need to take on board things that they may not have known previously more.
 
Papa Shango said:
It's quite interesting this though.

You have came in asking for a discussion and a discussion is being given.

You then ask for examples of other religious terrorism and they are given. Are you going to ignore them because if so really its not a discussion it's just some bias conformation being sought. (I don't think its that, you have never struck me as that type)

I think its important in bad times not to start attacking but to reflect instead and ask the right questions.

Take the answers on board, there is no shame in not knowing about the above mentioned incidents, you would have to be going out of your way to know about them as they are not reported as much so most people will be in the same boat. If someone is giving you extra knowledge use it and recalculate opinions.

Sorry that sounds really sanctimonious and it's not meant to be, I just think people need to take on board things that they may not have known previously more.
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Well said! If this thread has shown anything, it has shown how complex and difficult a subject and solution is. An anti-Muslim reaction is EXACTLY what the scum who perpetrated this want. It plays right into their hands! Internment in NI was the greatest gift the IRA could have been given. Alienate people at your peril!
 
ForeverBlue92 said:
Sadly its normal for a majority to be roped into the minorities actions.

I mean when Jo Cox was murdered no one was saying Brexit Voting Right Wingers were by and large lovely folk and the fella involved was some lone nut likewise I didnt see any support going out to the strange but largely harmless Incel Community over that lad opening fire in Plymouth.

Not saying its right or wrong but the actions of a number of idiots associated with a certain group will always somewhat tarnish the name of the majority.

Its why decent Muslims in Europe need to do their best to weed out these scumbags within their communities giving them a bad name.
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The biggest threat in America now is far right extremism, predominantly christian leaning views, majority white men. That information has from multiple security agencies. Its a fact

You have no idea what 'decent' muslims are doing to help. Im going to hazard a guess and say maybe a lot of intel and evidence gathered by the intelligence agencies are provided by other muslims. Also its muslims themselves that suffer the most at the hands of these extremists.
 
CharliePotato said:
What’s wrong with him saying they?

Honestly you can’t say anything these days without some mushroom indicating it as racist.
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I may have missed something (been working) but has the culprit been confirmed as being foreign? Because I have only seen "of middle eastern descent" being mentioned which could easily mean that they are scouse as he is (not that anybody could be THAT scouse) and in that case the use of "they" becomes problematic.

It's never about immigration yet its the first thing that rears it's ugly head.
 
Tin-Tin said:
The biggest threat in America now is far right extremism, predominantly christian leaning views, majority white men. That information has from multiple security agencies. Its a fact

You have no idea what 'decent' muslims are doing to help. Im going to hazard a guess and say maybe a lot of intel and evidence gathered by the intelligence agencies are provided by other muslims. Also its muslims themselves that suffer the most at the hands of these extremists.
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Also worth mentioning that not all Muslims are mates with each other and they all know each other. 99.9% of them will have no idea whats going on and will be just as appalled as anybody about what happened (and why wouldn't they be? They are human after all.)
 
ForeverBlue92 said:
Sadly its normal for a majority to be roped into the minorities actions.

I mean when Jo Cox was murdered no one was saying Brexit Voting Right Wingers were by and large lovely folk and the fella involved was some lone nut likewise I didnt see any support going out to the strange but largely harmless Incel Community over that lad opening fire in Plymouth.

Not saying its right or wrong but the actions of a number of idiots associated with a certain group will always somewhat tarnish the name of the majority.

Its why decent Muslims in Europe need to do their best to weed out these scumbags within their communities giving them a bad name.
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You’re comparing a religion of millions of people, thousands of years old to fringe movements here.
 
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