Kever10
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I'm pretty sure wearing the club shirt is a prerequisite of playing for the team.
So that means he either wears it or doesn't play. Which I'd be fine with by the way, he is terrible at football.
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So that means he either wears it or doesn't play. Which I'd be fine with by the way, he is terrible at football.
Sean Ashley
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Well Gana Gueye refused to play for PSG with a shirt that had a Pride symbol.
See what I mean from my earlier post. Gambling, alcohol, and same sex relationships are banned in Islamic teachings, but only one of them causes him and many other footballers to kick up a fuss about it. Pardon the pun.
Idrissa Gueye refuses to wear PSG shirt featuring rainbow symbol
Paris St-Germain's Idrissa Gueye refused to play in a match to avoid wearing a rainbow symbol in support of LGBTQ+ rights BBC Sport understands.
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Kever10
Player Valuation: £25m
I guess it's a good job we're not still sponsored by Hafnia.Well Gana Gueye refused to play for PSG with a shirt that had a Pride symbol.
See what I mean from my earlier post. Gambling, alcohol, and same sex relationships are banned in Islamic teachings, but only one of them causes him and many other footballers to kick up a fuss about it. Pardon the pun.
Idrissa Gueye refuses to wear PSG shirt featuring rainbow symbol
Paris St-Germain's Idrissa Gueye refused to play in a match to avoid wearing a rainbow symbol in support of LGBTQ+ rights BBC Sport understands.
In all seriousness though, if he really refused to play for PSG because of a pride logo, do you not think that is worse than what Guehi did? Refusing the gesture entirely is surely worse than wearing it with an additional message, which only causes offence to those seeking to be offended.
Which is my point in the 1st place. The whole Guehi situation is a mountain out of a mole hill.
Now if he had put a derogatory or offensive message on it, I'd be in total agreement with you.
Sean Ashley
Player Valuation: £8m
The thing is a situation doesn't need to arise, if they just respect the campaign, but every year multiple stars make it an issue.
On the bolded comment, an ex of mine was born in Malaysia. Malaysia in the past handful of decades has become an devote Muslim nation. When he was in boarding school. They found out he was gay. Do you know what they did to him? Gay conversion therapy. That is religious opinions on the matter and how they try and resolve minds that drift from their rhetoric, with forced oppression on ones way of life. That is why he left the country and came here.
The message was clear, the message was intended, and the message was indeed meant to cause offense.
Efcjake
Player Valuation: £80m
No, I firmly disagree with this.
Playing it off as a harmless message "only causing offence to those seeking to be offended"....
I'll ask you this time. Why has he never written it on his regular armband?
Why specifically did he choose to do it on the rainbow armband?
Because he was choosing to offend. You can all play and claim ignorance but it's obviously been intended to provoke and antagonize the community it was meant to be supporting and that's why he's getting called out for being an arsehole.
Kever10
Player Valuation: £25m
I agree that that is bad, but that is part of the issue in enforcing a message across the board, regardless of how much we believe in it or wish to support it. To be clear, im catholic by upbringing, but im not practicing, and even if i was, this issue would not be offensive to me. I have many LGBTQ friends and relatives, and as ive said before, I have no hatred towards anyone (except Kopites).
But while i agree with inclusivity, there are different beliefs thats others have, and by rolling out these initiatives across the board, you are essentially saying that we should be accepting of this 1 set of beliefs and ignore someone elses.
Do you think if they had a Catholic arm band at Easter, or a Protestant armband in July, or a Jewish armband at Passover, or a Muslim armband during Ramadan, etc, that that would be welcomed by 1 and all?
By all means, bring it to peoples attention, celebrate with flags, etc. I made the suggestion of using the rainbow ball, which is about as inclusive a gesture you can have because everyone plays with the same ball and its visible for all to see. But i disagree with singling people out for not doing something, as much as id be against singling someone out for doing something. If a premier league player decides to wear rainbow laces every game to raise awareness, go for it, you are harming noone. And as long is not a message of hate, which this wasn't, unless you choose to interpret it as such, then they should be free to do it.
I remember Robbie Fowler (spits) being reprimanded for supporting dockers, which was mental. But it was deemed as political. And this is also political. But this time its coercing everyone to take part or face the wrath of the virtue signallers. Either keep it out all together, or go about in a way that doesnt leave individuals open to criticism for having a belief.
Why would he write it on a captains armband, which has nothing to do with anything other than the game itself?
As above, enforce political messaging, expect people to disagree. Like people being required to take a knee for over a year because of George Floyd.
If you think "Jesus
you" is offensive, that's on you.
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LOL, they aren't taking the knee cos of George FloydI agree that that is bad, but that is part of the issue in enforcing a message across the board, regardless of how much we believe in it or wish to support it. To be clear, im catholic by upbringing, but im not practicing, and even if i was, this issue would not be offensive to me. I have many LGBTQ friends and relatives, and as ive said before, I have no hatred towards anyone (except Kopites).
But while i agree with inclusivity, there are different beliefs thats others have, and by rolling out these initiatives across the board, you are essentially saying that we should be accepting of this 1 set of beliefs and ignore someone elses.
Do you think if they had a Catholic arm band at Easter, or a Protestant armband in July, or a Jewish armband at Passover, or a Muslim armband during Ramadan, etc, that that would be welcomed by 1 and all?
By all means, bring it to peoples attention, celebrate with flags, etc. I made the suggestion of using the rainbow ball, which is about as inclusive a gesture you can have because everyone plays with the same ball and its visible for all to see. But i disagree with singling people out for not doing something, as much as id be against singling someone out for doing something. If a premier league player decides to wear rainbow laces every game to raise awareness, go for it, you are harming noone. And as long is not a message of hate, which this wasn't, unless you choose to interpret it as such, then they should be free to do it.
I remember Robbie Fowler (spits) being reprimanded for supporting dockers, which was mental. But it was deemed as political. And this is also political. But this time its coercing everyone to take part or face the wrath of the virtue signallers. Either keep it out all together, or go about in a way that doesnt leave individuals open to criticism for having a belief.
Why would he write it on a captains armband, which has nothing to do with anything other than the game itself?
As above, enforce political messaging, expect people to disagree. Like people being required to take a knee for over a year because of George Floyd.
If you think "Jesus
Kever10
Player Valuation: £25m
Yes, Black Lives Matter- this us what talking the knee is for, not George Floyd’s murder
I love it when the right wing give it the ‘yeh but he was a criminal..’ line
Edit : I’m not saying you give it the he was a criminal guff btw
I love it when the right wing give it the ‘yeh but he was a criminal..’ line
Edit : I’m not saying you give it the he was a criminal guff btw
Kever10
Player Valuation: £25m
Yeah, and the incident that prompted it was George Floyd.
P. S. I made no reference to him being a criminal, i merely pointed out that they continued to take the knee for well over a year after, maybe 2. And it was all politically motivated.
These things may start out as gestures to raise awareness, but a lot of the time, they end up creating more division and aggro. And to be honest, I'm not entirely convinced that that isn't at least part of the intention behind it in the 1st place.
Politically motivated?? creating more division and aggro?? part of the intention behind it in the 1st place.??
Straight from the play book I am afraid. If this was a campaign about white people being murdered by police, taking the knee to raise awareness of the issue - there'd be silence from the right.
I agree that that is bad, but that is part of the issue in enforcing a message across the board, regardless of how much we believe in it or wish to support it. To be clear, im catholic by upbringing, but im not practicing, and even if i was, this issue would not be offensive to me. I have many LGBTQ friends and relatives, and as ive said before, I have no hatred towards anyone (except Kopites).
But while i agree with inclusivity, there are different beliefs thats others have, and by rolling out these initiatives across the board, you are essentially saying that we should be accepting of this 1 set of beliefs and ignore someone elses.
Do you think if they had a Catholic arm band at Easter, or a Protestant armband in July, or a Jewish armband at Passover, or a Muslim armband during Ramadan, etc, that that would be welcomed by 1 and all?
By all means, bring it to peoples attention, celebrate with flags, etc. I made the suggestion of using the rainbow ball, which is about as inclusive a gesture you can have because everyone plays with the same ball and its visible for all to see. But i disagree with singling people out for not doing something, as much as id be against singling someone out for doing something. If a premier league player decides to wear rainbow laces every game to raise awareness, go for it, you are harming noone. And as long is not a message of hate, which this wasn't, unless you choose to interpret it as such, then they should be free to do it.
I remember Robbie Fowler (spits) being reprimanded for supporting dockers, which was mental. But it was deemed as political. And this is also political. But this time its coercing everyone to take part or face the wrath of the virtue signallers. Either keep it out all together, or go about in a way that doesnt leave individuals open to criticism for having a belief.
Why would he write it on a captains armband, which has nothing to do with anything other than the game itself?
As above, enforce political messaging, expect people to disagree. Like people being required to take a knee for over a year because of George Floyd.
If you think "Jesus
The sentiment of this post is fair.
However, I don't agree with the comparison to religious 'armbands' though. For me religion is a choice, yes you can be forced into it but it is still a choice. Being part of the LGBTQ+ community is not a choice, it is who you are. I know that a lot of people will see their religion as defining who they are but for me it just isn't the same.
I would also disagree massively with LGBTQ+ and inclusivity being a political issue, it is a humanity issue.
I don't necessarily agree that he was definitely choosing to offend. He might have been, I don't know him so I don't know what his thought process would have been, but I don't think it necessarily follows that he can only have done it to deliberately cause offence.
Personally I don't understand the thinking of anybody who has an issue with anyone's sexuality (or of people who follow organised religion as it happens) but I think there has to at least be a possibility that he thought he was doing something that showed support but also didn't go against his own beliefs/offend those close to him. As I say, I'm not defending him, I can't vouch for his character and it isn't something I would have done myself, I just don't think we can really jump to the conclusion that he must have knowingly been attempting to offend people.
Efcjake
Player Valuation: £80m
I agree that that is bad, but that is part of the issue in enforcing a message across the board, regardless of how much we believe in it or wish to support it. To be clear, im catholic by upbringing, but im not practicing, and even if i was, this issue would not be offensive to me. I have many LGBTQ friends and relatives, and as ive said before, I have no hatred towards anyone (except Kopites).
But while i agree with inclusivity, there are different beliefs thats others have, and by rolling out these initiatives across the board, you are essentially saying that we should be accepting of this 1 set of beliefs and ignore someone elses.
Do you think if they had a Catholic arm band at Easter, or a Protestant armband in July, or a Jewish armband at Passover, or a Muslim armband during Ramadan, etc, that that would be welcomed by 1 and all?
By all means, bring it to peoples attention, celebrate with flags, etc. I made the suggestion of using the rainbow ball, which is about as inclusive a gesture you can have because everyone plays with the same ball and its visible for all to see. But i disagree with singling people out for not doing something, as much as id be against singling someone out for doing something. If a premier league player decides to wear rainbow laces every game to raise awareness, go for it, you are harming noone. And as long is not a message of hate, which this wasn't, unless you choose to interpret it as such, then they should be free to do it.
I remember Robbie Fowler (spits) being reprimanded for supporting dockers, which was mental. But it was deemed as political. And this is also political. But this time its coercing everyone to take part or face the wrath of the virtue signallers. Either keep it out all together, or go about in a way that doesnt leave individuals open to criticism for having a belief.
Why would he write it on a captains armband, which has nothing to do with anything other than the game itself?
As above, enforce political messaging, expect people to disagree. Like people being required to take a knee for over a year because of George Floyd.
If you think "Jesus
Why did he write on the captain's armband last week then?
Come on, answer your own question.
People can disagree with the political messaging. As has already been said, he could have just refused to wear it.
Secondly I don't think anyone was "required" to take a knee. If you have anything proving people were forced I'd love to see it.
I believe it was driven by the captain's at the suggestion of the players.
Here's the first article in 2022 stating it was the decision of captains.
Premier League captains reaffirm stance against racism
Players will take the knee at select matches to highlight ongoing anti-discrimination message
www.premierleague.com
Here's another reaffirming the decision again for 2024/25
Premier League statement: Players to take the knee again in 2024/25
Club captains confirm to take the knee before specific matches to show commitment to fight racism and all forms of discrimination
www.premierleague.com
So nobody was forced into anything as far as I can tell
I don't think "Jesus
you" is offensive in and of itself. As I also said earlier, he can express that sentiment anywhere else but written on a rainbow armband. He's not prevented from doing so. He wasn't even prevented from going out with that on the armband and playing. Yet that armband symbolizes the many, many, occasions people of the LGBTQ community have been prevented from playing and participating in the sport and writing his message on that symbolic armband was extremely disrespectful.
He hasn't done it on a regular armband, he chose to do it on the rainbow one for a specific reason. It's not a monumental leap to assume he was advertising his love of Christ to distance himself from supporting the message of the armband and that in itself is a very disrespectful act to the spirit in which the rainbow campaign exists.
Efcjake
Player Valuation: £80m
He couldn't only have done it to cause offence.
It's the most likely explanation given the context of him never advertising this profession of love for Christ on any non-rainbow affiliated gear.
Let's not play stupid or devils advocate for the sake of it. It was done to provoke this exact reaction.
He's had a lot of opportunity to clear the air and state his true intentions if it was intended to be a message of support. I'll draw another conclusion from the fact he isn't attempting to correct the developing narrative that his intent was to offend.
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