Lescott dropped

[DENNIS STEVENS]

Well lets play Devils advocate here for a minute :

Joleon signs a new contract at Everton and is happy here, we finish 5th, reach the cup final and go into summer looking to progress.

Man City try to sign John Terry but eventually give up and turn their attention to Lescott. 2 bids are made (i believe £15m and £18m).

Everton meanwhile sign no one and it begins to increasingly look like the same players who worked their asses off for 5th place and FA cup runners up are gonna have to do it all again just to stay where they are.

Lescott sees this (as do a lot of our own fans, how many times has it been said on here). He sees Man City want him, he sees a chance to make double his money (ok not confirmed but pretty much likely) and to play with players like Robinho and Tevez with a team who it can't be denied are doing what they can to break in to the top 4 and win things.

What does he do? He has a choice to make and not an easy one. He thinks it over and decides that he wishes to play for Man City so puts in a transfer request. I'm sure thats why he waited so long as opposed to him making up his mind the minute the first bid came in and just wanting to leave Everton in [Poor language removed].

But his request gets denied by Moyes and that causes conflict. Joleon tells Moyes his head isn't right because of the whole issue and its best for Everton if he doesn't play against Aresnal (which seems pretty honest and upfront to me, shows he does actually care) but Moyes plays him anyway.

We get spanked 6-1 and Joleon becomes an easy target to blame. What about the other 10 players, why didn't they let the club down with their performance.

Obviously he is still not right in his head and able to dedicate himself 100% to Everton Football Club so Moyes drops him from the team.

At which point talk of his attitude being wrong means he is sulking seemingly.

Nobody has any proof that that isn't whats happened and the truth, as per usual its all speculation and one persons word, interpreting statements to fit your own views.

Fair enough that could all be wrong and he is a money grabbing judas but i dont know, no one here does. So i will not judge him.

well said - a lot of points on here are based on assuming what we're being fed through the media is all true. whereas previous experience should teach us to be a little more cynical than that.

 

[keverton]

well said - a lot of points on here are based on assuming what we're being fed through the media is all true. whereas previous experience should teach us to be a little more cynical than that.

i dont think moyes is the type to tell lies so i believe a manager over a player who wants to double his money and force a move

 

[DENNIS STEVENS]

you say it is a poor way to run a club. But since the club has been run this way results are speaking for themselves so i would say the style of management is working and i would never accuse moyes of ameaturish management

I'm not just talking about Moyes, it's happened previously too. As for the argument that some things are good therefore nothing can be wrong, it seems a little simplistic.

 

[keverton]

I'm not just talking about Moyes, it's happened previously too. As for the argument that some things are good therefore nothing can be wrong, it seems a little simplistic.

not saying nothing is wrong i am saying that in this instance i think moyes is right and his management style is getting results FACT so why change it. Just mu opinion though and not saying im right that why forums are great.

 

[DENNIS STEVENS]

i dont think moyes is the type to tell lies so i believe a manager over a player who wants to double his money and force a move

I'm sure from Moyes' own perspective he feels he is telling the truth. Lescott might well have a different take on it. Whether his decision to be so open to the media is correct, only time will tell - but I'm not sure how doing this is going to help the team if Lescott stays or how it'll get the club the best deal possible if he goes.

 

[Nebbiolo]

i dont think moyes is the type to tell lies so i believe a manager over a player who wants to double his money and force a move

Well he has a history of being quite contradictory.

Whichever way it works out, I don't think anyone here seriously doubts Moyes' credentials for the job. But he is fallible, mate.

 

[Sharpys top lip]

That cnut could have cost us a place in the europa league.
Anyone who backed him before this, i hope you now realise the guy is scum. What he has done to a club and manager who has supported and backed him, is disgusting.
I wish i could put exactly what i want to say about him, but i'd most likely be banned.

Ah Fukk it, Say it!! I know i will!!

The guys shitting on us over money. The greedy [Poor language removed] bag. Once again anouther player that would be nothing without us. But go's an shits on us any way!!

 

[bluemooner_mcfc]

I think the whole episode is becoming increasingly embarrassing. It's been badly managed by the club from the outset in the usual amateur manner one has come to expect. This demonising of the player concerned has happened many times before & it's a poor way to run a club. I honestly expected better of Moyes, if not the Board.

from an outsider looking in mate and to be fair i cant really see what the club has done wrong?

city put a bid in and it was rejected and then city put another bid in that was rejected.

if a club doesnt want to sell then thats fair enough and in a way i sort of admire everton/moyes for trying to stick to there guns no matter how much its tempting to sell for a big fee.

if i could say the only thing thats not been done right is it being made public on your OS rather than tell city thanks but no thanks and then maybe city would have trotted off ??

i dont like the way hughes has gone about this at all the way he has spoken public about it but i think aswell city have been given the green light by someone be it lescott/agent/everton insider ?

i think its a bit harsh on moyes though being blamed for taking a stand even if its against my club.

 

[DENNIS STEVENS]

not saying nothing is wrong i am saying that in this instance i think moyes is right and his management style is getting results FACT so why change it. Just mu opinion though and not saying im right that why forums are great.

Well you sem to be saying that Moyes is right in this instance because his results here have been so good, but following that logic surely saturday's result would indicate that this may be an exception to Moyes' infallibility. I'm not suggesting that Moyes can change his management style, although I believe he himself claims to be still developing, but I don't feel that the relative success he has had means he is immune from criticism in all he does. not too sure what the poin of shouting FACT is either, but as you say "that's why forums are great".

 

[BlackToffee]

Just to clear up a Moyes statement today he said about Lescott and shitty. Is he alledging that chitty are in direct contact with Lescott? I've probably heard it wrong~ perhaps that's what they mean by the decision maker.

 

[Dutch Toffee]

I'm with Badwool and keverton on this. Don't think Moyes is to blame about all this. If we sold Lescott to City for their 2nd bid, every Evertonian would have said we're a selling club. Same applies, if Moyes caved in directly after Lescott handed in his transfer request.

However, by denying him his request, we were stucked wit a player who wanted out and although signing a professional contract with big wages, wasn't prepared to behave like a professional and actually earn those big wages. Instead of that he started sulking and moaning and thus undermining the team morale.

At least, by all this Moyes has made it perfectly clear he's the boss and only one to answer too, regarding first team busisness. Moyes is acting like a top professional in my eyes, sadly one of his players isn't.

 

[chicoazul]

Politics man, always politics.

The message is clear, you wont buy our players without a battle and snidy comments towards your manager in the media from Moyes.

If we just rolled over then the message is clear, harvest our players. We cant compete with City financially, thats how it is but IF sold for 22m then we've squeezed 7 million out of them more, or one Alan Hutton, and he's not even our best centre back or left back on the books.

Ace.

Expect some signings now, I'll be sad to see Lescott lining up for City but its happened before and it will happen again. Modern footie absolutely stinks but we've now got money to spend, which Moyes spends better than most managers.

 

[kenada_blue]

Can City just pony up £25mill and take him off our hands?

 

[bluemooner_mcfc]

Can City just pony up £25mill and take him off our hands?

i think thats what will happen in the end though mate and like you lads i want an end to this now and not just for the sake of us signing him but i hate this tit for tat in the media and making both clubs bad depending on what papers you read who take different slants on things.

 

[Nebbiolo]

Politics man, always politics.

That's it in a nutshell, Chico. It's ALL about politics at the moment.