Lescott dropped

[davek]

Moyes:

"But the boy has changed. It is not just me (who has noticed) but the players who are working with him have noticed it as well."


I'm sorry, I have the upmost respect for the way he's galvanised the club in the past few years, but that is just embarrassing [Poor language removed]. To drag the other players into this in order to castigate Lescott and get himself out of gaol is shameful. What sort of man mangement is that FFS? He's made a right cnut out of himself in the past few days.

 

[Nebbiolo]

Moyes:

"But the boy has changed. It is not just me (who has noticed) but the players who are working with him have noticed it as well."


I'm sorry, I have the upmost respect for the way he's galvanised the club in the past few years, but that is just embarrassing [Poor language removed]. To drag the other players into this in order to castigate Lescott and get himself out of gaol is shameful. What sort of man mangement is that FFS? He's made a right cnut out of himself in the past few days.

Agreed. He does something ****tish every season, but thankfully he always makes up for that in other ways. He's a cracking manager but he's a right cnut sometimes.

 

[BigDunc9]

Apparantly Lescott just turned his back on Moyes when he told him and Baines to do something in training, so Moyes told him to train on his own.

Where's that come from?

 

[keverton]

Moyes:

"But the boy has changed. It is not just me (who has noticed) but the players who are working with him have noticed it as well."


I'm sorry, I have the upmost respect for the way he's galvanised the club in the past few years, but that is just embarrassing [Poor language removed]. To drag the other players into this in order to castigate Lescott and get himself out of gaol is shameful. What sort of man mangement is that FFS? He's made a right cnut out of himself in the past few days.

Sorry davek i disgree i understand your point however if lescott is showing a bad attitude and other players have noticed it what would you want moyes to do. Say nothing i am actually pleased that moyes has showed the consequences of what happens if you show lack of committment as it will let other players know that what moyes says go and if they were to be approached by other clubs that they will have to conduc themselves in the appropriate manner or risk the wrath of moyes

 

[Seamus Colemole]

Agree on the elephant part. No need for that, especially on an internet forum.

However, don't think Moyes needed to make Lescott out to be the bad guy. Joleon decided to do that all by his own. Can understand him wanting to join City in order to double/triple his wages. What I don't understand is why he waited to hand in a transfer request untill the week before the start of the PL. Also, no one forced him into signing a contract at Everton, so he shouldn't be acting like a spoilt child, when Moyes decides to stand firm on this subject. Refuse to lay any blame on Moyes regarding this saga.

Well lets play Devils advocate here for a minute :

Joleon signs a new contract at Everton and is happy here, we finish 5th, reach the cup final and go into summer looking to progress.

Man City try to sign John Terry but eventually give up and turn their attention to Lescott. 2 bids are made (i believe £15m and £18m).

Everton meanwhile sign no one and it begins to increasingly look like the same players who worked their asses off for 5th place and FA cup runners up are gonna have to do it all again just to stay where they are.

Lescott sees this (as do a lot of our own fans, how many times has it been said on here). He sees Man City want him, he sees a chance to make double his money (ok not confirmed but pretty much likely) and to play with players like Robinho and Tevez with a team who it can't be denied are doing what they can to break in to the top 4 and win things.

What does he do? He has a choice to make and not an easy one. He thinks it over and decides that he wishes to play for Man City so puts in a transfer request. I'm sure thats why he waited so long as opposed to him making up his mind the minute the first bid came in and just wanting to leave Everton in [Poor language removed].

But his request gets denied by Moyes and that causes conflict. Joleon tells Moyes his head isn't right because of the whole issue and its best for Everton if he doesn't play against Aresnal (which seems pretty honest and upfront to me, shows he does actually care) but Moyes plays him anyway.

We get spanked 6-1 and Joleon becomes an easy target to blame. What about the other 10 players, why didn't they let the club down with their performance.

Obviously he is still not right in his head and able to dedicate himself 100% to Everton Football Club so Moyes drops him from the team.

At which point talk of his attitude being wrong means he is sulking seemingly.

Nobody has any proof that that isn't whats happened and the truth, as per usual its all speculation and one persons word, interpreting statements to fit your own views.

Fair enough that could all be wrong and he is a money grabbing judas but i dont know, no one here does. So i will not judge him.

 

[ChicagoToffee]

Moyes added: "I made a decision today and due to Joleon's attitude, I felt it would be better if he wasn't included in the squad. He does not seem to be in the right frame of mind.

"He wasn't (right) before Saturday's game and he told me that. But I took the risk and chose to play him. But now the time is right to leave him alone until things are sorted, and hopefully that will be after the deadline.

"I find Joleon a really good boy to work with, a pleasure in fact. I couldn't say enough good things about him.

"But the boy has changed. It is not just me (who has noticed) but the players who are working with him have noticed it as well.

"But the door is open for Joleon. We don't want him to go, I have said that all along, unless we get an offer that I think is right.

"But at the present time he is not in the squad and it is best that we get on without him."

Link: Birmingham Mail - Sport - Premier League - Everton Joleon Lescott transfer row: David Moyes turns up the heat

A bit of posturing by Moyes - reads like an invitation to Citeh - "You know the price, pony up the cash and he's yours".

 

[Nebbiolo]

Sorry davek i disgree i understand your point however if lescott is showing a bad attitude and other players have noticed it what would you want moyes to do. Say nothing i am actually pleased that moyes has showed the consequences of what happens if you show lack of committment as it will let other players know that what moyes says go and if they were to be approached by other clubs that they will have to conduc themselves in the appropriate manner or risk the wrath of moyes

Now isn't the time to wash the dirty linen in public. When Lescott goes, which he hopefully will, then is the time for Moyes to have his say. All this achieves is it makes us look like a club with problems, which isn't helpful to anyone, especially the players.

 

[bluemooner_mcfc]

for whatever reasons moyes has let it out that the players aint happy with lescott its hard to call if its the right or wrong reasons.

maybe lescott behaving the way he is is the only way moyes can truely show the fans what he is like and to be fair theres n oright or wrong way to do things.

can you lads see a way back for lescott after this or would you just get rid pronto ?

or if he is still with you after the window shuts give him a chance to settle down and get on with the way he was ?

its a hard one to call.

 

[BadWool76]

Moyes:

"But the boy has changed. It is not just me (who has noticed) but the players who are working with him have noticed it as well."


I'm sorry, I have the upmost respect for the way he's galvanised the club in the past few years, but that is just embarrassing [Poor language removed]. To drag the other players into this in order to castigate Lescott and get himself out of gaol is shameful. What sort of man mangement is that FFS? He's made a right cnut out of himself in the past few days.

Dave I like you but your talking complete bollocks mate . Moyes hasnt made us look bad at all . He has conducted himself well and stood firm under pressure most would wilt from .

You would all have gone mad had he sold Lescott for 15 million . Lescott can sulk all he likes for me . None of us know the extend of Lescotts conduct . Moyes may have had no choice in dropping him . I trust Moyes 100 per cent .

I guess tomorrow we will see.

 

[davek]

Sorry davek i disgree i understand your point however if lescott is showing a bad attitude and other players have noticed it what would you want moyes to do. Say nothing i am actually pleased that moyes has showed the consequences of what happens if you show lack of committment as it will let other players know that what moyes says go and if they were to be approached by other clubs that they will have to conduc themselves in the appropriate manner or risk the wrath of moyes

Lescott has to go. But the issue now is how it's conducted - pretty shabbily by the looks of it. In any case, all these players queuing up to support Moyes' condemnation of Lescott - does that include Cahill who reckons all the staff are understanding of their team mate's plight and all back him up? Maybe Moyesie is trying to reassure himself?

 

[Nebbiolo]

for whatever reasons moyes has let it out that the players aint happy with lescott its hard to call if its the right or wrong reasons.

maybe lescott behaving the way he is is the only way moyes can truely show the fans what he is like and to be fair theres n oright or wrong way to do things.

can you lads see a way back for lescott after this or would you just get rid pronto ?

or if he is still with you after the window shuts give him a chance to settle down and get on with the way he was ?

its a hard one to call.

There's a way back, mate. But it would take Moyes to not hold a grudge, and he really does hold grudges, and Joleon to make a public statement on his love for Everton.

But it won't happen. Evertonians are generally forgiving when they feel that a "wrongdoer" is genuinely being forthright. Moyes isn't like that at all.

 

[DENNIS STEVENS]

I think the whole episode is becoming increasingly embarrassing. It's been badly managed by the club from the outset in the usual amateur manner one has come to expect. This demonising of the player concerned has happened many times before & it's a poor way to run a club. I honestly expected better of Moyes, if not the Board.

 

[keverton]

Lescott has to go. But the issue now is how it's conducted - pretty shabbily by the looks of it. In any case, all these players queuing up to support Moyes' condemnation of Lescott - does that include Cahill who reckons all the staff are understanding of their team mate's plight and all back him up? Maybe Moyesie is trying to reassure himself?

i doubt the players and staff are understanding of his apparent attitude problem which he obviouslly has. They may well understand the decision lescott has to make but not bad attitude. As for making this public it is a tough one to call if it is for the better or worse however if he had kept quiet and not gone public the press and us supporters would have wanted to know where lescott was assuming he was training alone and moyes would have had to lie about that and moyes and gone on record saying he would never lie i respect this

 

[davek]

Dave I like you but your talking complete bollocks mate . Moyes hasnt made us look bad at all . He has conducted himself well and stood firm under pressure most would wilt from .

You would all have gone mad had he sold Lescott for 15 million . Lescott can sulk all he likes for me . None of us know the extend of Lescotts conduct . Moyes may have had no choice in dropping him . I trust Moyes 100 per cent .

I guess tomorrow we will see.

I look at this also from the point of view of attracting players mate. Who'd be impressed with a manager who uses press reports to make it clear all the playing staff think a player is out of order? I'm struggling to think if the worst Everton manager of all time, Walter Smith, ever tried that on. I dont think even he did that.

It's infantile at best.

 

[keverton]

I think the whole episode is becoming increasingly embarrassing. It's been badly managed by the club from the outset in the usual amateur manner one has come to expect. This demonising of the player concerned has happened many times before & it's a poor way to run a club. I honestly expected better of Moyes, if not the Board.

you say it is a poor way to run a club. But since the club has been run this way results are speaking for themselves so i would say the style of management is working and i would never accuse moyes of ameaturish management