Gwladysstreetlad
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There's no misunderstanding i know perfectly well that Marvel follow the basic frame work of every major action motion picture. What's more they do it rather well, the difference is that while most movies would at least attempt to not be quite so formulaic Marvel have not only embraced it but become slaves to it and have zero interest in even attempting any other way.*Takes a deep breath....
Okay.
First I'm going to address your misunderstanding about Marvel and it's formula in creating it's films. It's not just Marvel, or DC, it's every action movie ever. It's actually every film ever that follows the same framework. Every character and story trope is the same one that came before Marvel Studios, every motivation a primal one, and every narrative structure can trace it's roots to Aristotle. You can't say that one film is a car-crash and one a masterpiece using this criticism. The ingredients may vary but the recipe is exactly the same. Who created this formula? The 'Blockbuster'? Read this it's very good.
Where is your evidence the MCU goes further and further backwards with every film? Looks to me like they employ uniquely individual writers and directors to come up with unique and individual ways to tell individually unique stories within their universal framework that utilizes an in-house Studio system to keep quality high and film crews employed all year round. It looks to me like they have spent big in exactly the right way to create a solid foundation, creatively and logistically. They re-acquired most, if not all of their character rights to produce the films exactly the way they want to, and even showing traditional powerhouses like Sony how to make them properly after years and years of mismanagement.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvel_Studios
This streamlined turbo charged engine up against the dysfunctional Warner Brothers / DC marriage? They have murdered a team of A-List superheroes before they have even ironed their capes! If you think Affleck is the best Batman then this is a discussion that ends before we even get out of the car. I like older Batman from the comics, but he only works if everyone is older, ie 'Kingdom Come'. But older Batman and younger everyone else? Answer me this question then, why is Gotham City right next to Metropolis? Like you can actually see Metropolis from Gotham City? So Superman is based in Metropolis and doesn't patrol Gotham City? Early in BvS Perry White tells Kent to check out the story on the Gotham Football team. In the next scene Clark is then on a Ferry and the next he's talking to an old guy about Batman like he's never heard of him before. He's then in a staff meeting at the Daily Planet taking about the 'Bat Vigilante' using the ports to brand baddies and 'why aren't we covering that story Boss?'. So if this is 'old' Batman, how come this all new to everyone? How come in how ever many years Batman has been operation no one has ever heard of him?! Mega Plot Fail. Marvel just don't make those kinds of mistakes.
What's more, nonsense comedies like Ragnarok are far from positive moves. They threw all the character development of Thor and Hulk in the bin during that film. Say what you will about the first two Thor films but at least he acted like Thor, not so in Ragnarok. Backwards step.
From a buissness model perspective they have done incredibly well for themselves. Im not arguing about that, im talking film quality and that however is a diffrent thing, because once the bubble bursts on super hero movies (and it will soonner then we all think) marvels films will look VERY tired and VERY poor to the same critics who are currently jurking one off to them and they will turn on marvel in a big way. The same critics who will attack DC for doing anything even remotely similar but will also jump on the when they try to be diffrent.
My favourite Batman would probably be Keaton if I had to choose but Affleck is far from bad, I like the idea that Batman has been operating doing his thing for years until metas started showing up and changed the game (Kingdom Come is an amazing story BTW!). I don't particularly like that Gotham is so close to metropolis either, it should be the other emd if the country but thats a problem with all comic characters, why do they only help their own town or city? but for you to say that marvel doesn't make those kinds of mistakes is hilarious. Pretty much every hero in the Marvel universe lives in New York yet they are regularly shocked to encounter another superhero! Why would ANYONE want to live in the MCU version of New York?! They'd be leaving on mass!
If you want to talk about continuity mistakes then why is it that at in the post credit scene of the Incredible Hulk, Stark confronts General Ross in a bar to talk about "putting together a team". So the Avengers right? That's cool. Except it doesn't work in continuity because the Incredible Hulk takes place at the same time as Iron Man 2 and in that film SHIELD wants nothing to do with Stark becuse he's a liability. Major plothole. Or how about in the first Iron man film were Stark basically gets over having either ruptured ear drum or a brain haemorrhage (since he's bleeding from the ears it's likely to be one of the two), he should be seriously worried no? Except in the next scene he's crawling to the garage to get his old arc reactor and all the blood is just gone. WT actual F! It's not like he'd of had the time to clean himself up while crawling across the house on the brink of death or just get over it, so what happened? It's a pretty big detail for them to miss out yeah?
Oh I noticed you didn't mention money made by DC films this post and how the comparative lack of it compared to current marvel films allegedly made them failures?
Well the thing about that is.......
Till the next post @McBain !
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