Current Affairs Knife crime

[Bruce Wayne]

Ah sorry mate we were at cross purposes .

I think I’ll disagree with you or rather take issues with you on a couple of points . As regards firearms I think that’s right in crime prevention generally but given the guidelines for tackling armed offenders that the police face a reduction in the officers available it is an issue . Also my quoting of those figures was specific to a point Pete made about terrorism and funding where I’d say it’s absolutely an issue .

As regards your point about the police walking around stumbling across crime I think of course some cops will and some won’t but that isn’t the issue . For me the point that the police officer I quoted earlier and what Philm said was that you’re underestimating community intelligence . Firstly What the police out and about see , knowing who is who and what they up to and who with but also who with . Then you’ve got a neighbour approaching a copper saying that bloke at 43 is up to this or that or mrs jones’ son is doing this . The same people might not feel comfortable enough to actually pick the phone up though . Or maybe they’ll say something that might fill in a missing piece , that bloke quoted felt it was important enough to pull the Home Secretary up on and he seemed to have a clue about what he was saying .

Aye, it's not something I know much about to be honest. Getting good relations with these communities does seem to be crucial though, although I will say that this is perhaps something that the British police do better than most. The other half often comments on how approachable British coppers are. It'd be a shame if we lost that due to tooling them up with all sorts of heavy armoury.

 

[Harryflashman]

Aye, it's not something I know much about to be honest. Getting good relations with these communities does seem to be crucial though, although I will say that this is perhaps something that the British police do better than most. The other half often comments on how approachable British coppers are. It'd be a shame if we lost that due to tooling them up with all sorts of heavy armoury.

I don’t really know about the police but security and intelligence is an area I’m a bit more confident in .

 

[PhilM]

Aye, it's not something I know much about to be honest. Getting good relations with these communities does seem to be crucial though, although I will say that this is perhaps something that the British police do better than most. The other half often comments on how approachable British coppers are. It'd be a shame if we lost that due to tooling them up with all sorts of heavy armoury.

Bruce I think personally that's a much lesser issue than the pivotal point that the ability to interact with the public is sadly being diminished.

I think you'll find that while there's still a basis of good relations between police the communities it serves, it certainly isn't what it is.

As @Harryflashman mentioned, the opportunities to actually get in and learn the names of the local players are, what the bad eggs are up to...

... and what the people in the community think really aren't there as much as they should. Nor are the chances for people to give the vital info.

It was your older couple who would quietly and patiently sit in and witnessed everything in the local area from their living room or gardens.

The hard working professionals who are fed up with those in the area who weren't law abiding, or the players who want to screw over competition.

Or basically even the local players who think someone has simply gone too far - your domestic abusers, sex crimes or robbing from the old etc.

Like I said earlier on, for most people there are now only two real chances you'll speak to the police: you're a criminal or you are a victim!

So a lot of this information is simply now not entering the system, as people are reluctant to call - it was more ad hoc than going out their way.

Furthermore, to answer another point, in the mainstay I don't think there's a real consensus from within the Police that they should be armed.

From memory, I think the last figure from the Federation was 63% of officers think they shouldn't be armed, so it's almost two in three.

And out of the 34% who did I vaguely remember that a fair percentage suggested they should be armed as and when - not consistently.

 

[Eggs]

..reduce spend on public services and suffer the consequences.

 

[peteblue]

..reduce spend on public services and suffer the consequences.

Disgraceful and self serving comment......

 

[Eggs]

Disgraceful and self serving comment......

..just a comment. Just an opinion. If you reduce spend on public services, then public services suffer. Lack of police, lack of probation, lack of social services will have a negative impact. It’s not rocket science.

Not sure what you mean by ‘self-serving’ I was a Civil Servant for 41 years, I know what a lack of funding means for the service provision. I know what 6 years without a pay rise is like, and I know how hard folk work regardless. My daughter is a surgeon in the NHS, my son was a teacher but left, my daughter in law is a teacher. They are pushing water uphill, but at the end of the day service suffers.

I don’t have an agenda, i’m just saying what it’s like on the shop floor because I know.

 

[COYBL25]

Disgraceful and self serving comment......

Deffo Bed.

 

[peteblue]

..just a comment. Just an opinion. If you reduce spend on public services, then public services suffer. Lack of police, lack of probation, lack of social services will have a negative impact. It’s not rocket science.

Not sure what you mean by ‘self-serving’ I was a Civil Servant for 41 years, I know what a lack of funding means for the service provision. I know what 6 years without a pay rise is like, and I know how hard folk work regardless. My daughter is a surgeon in the NHS, my son was a teacher but left, my daughter in law is a teacher. They are pushing water uphill, but at the end of the day service suffers.

I don’t have an agenda, i’m just saying what it’s like on the shop floor because I know.

In the real world outside of the public sector, costs and expenditure are being reduced all the time, but output is expected to either remain the same or even improve. Public service knows nothing about competition nor how to react. It doesn’t even know how to spend money efficiently. It’s first port of call is always ‘more money’ or ‘service’ will reduce. Well tbh that’s just not good enough. Industry and private business lives or dies through improvement, no matter how good the previous years results the eyes are always fixed on how to improve for the future. You’ve been there for 41 years, if you haven’t seen the waste and lack of productivity then you have just become part of the system.

I don’t mean to be negative about this but most people with a private sector background know how to get value for money and improve, the public sector is stuck in a time warp. One of my old colleagues went into the civil service with the remit of cutting waste and produced a review, which I’m sure you’ve heard of, and helped to remove about £20Bn of cost, in spite of systemic opposition. I’ve seen this from both sides of the fence over my time.

This is why I totally disagree with your comments regarding knife crime, and the easy comment regarding money, we have enough Police, how we use them either proactively or reactively is the real issue......I’d rather see your 41 years experience within the civil service focussed on what can be done or improved rather than ‘more money’........so now try again and put that experience to good use.....

 

[Del-boy]

In the real world outside of the public sector, costs and expenditure are being reduced all the time, but output is expected to either remain the same or even improve. Public service knows nothing about competition nor how to react. It doesn’t even know how to spend money efficiently. It’s first port of call is always ‘more money’ or ‘service’ will reduce. Well tbh that’s just not good enough. Industry and private business lives or dies through improvement, no matter how good the previous years results the eyes are always fixed on how to improve for the future. You’ve been there for 41 years, if you haven’t seen the waste and lack of productivity then you have just become part of the system.

I don’t mean to be negative about this but most people with a private sector background know how to get value for money and improve, the public sector is stuck in a time warp. One of my old colleagues went into the civil service with the remit of cutting waste and produced a review, which I’m sure you’ve heard of, and helped to remove about £20Bn of cost, in spite of systemic opposition. I’ve seen this from both sides of the fence over my time.

This is why I totally disagree with your comments regarding knife crime, and the easy comment regarding money, we have enough Police, how we use them either proactively or reactively is the real issue......I’d rather see your 41 years experience within the civil service focussed on what can be done or improved rather than ‘more money’........so now try again and put that experience to good use.....

We really don’t mate.

 

[neil999]

In the real world outside of the public sector, costs and expenditure are being reduced all the time, but output is expected to either remain the same or even improve. Public service knows nothing about competition nor how to react. It doesn’t even know how to spend money efficiently. It’s first port of call is always ‘more money’ or ‘service’ will reduce. Well tbh that’s just not good enough. Industry and private business lives or dies through improvement, no matter how good the previous years results the eyes are always fixed on how to improve for the future. You’ve been there for 41 years, if you haven’t seen the waste and lack of productivity then you have just become part of the system.

I don’t mean to be negative about this but most people with a private sector background know how to get value for money and improve, the public sector is stuck in a time warp. One of my old colleagues went into the civil service with the remit of cutting waste and produced a review, which I’m sure you’ve heard of, and helped to remove about £20Bn of cost, in spite of systemic opposition. I’ve seen this from both sides of the fence over my time.

This is why I totally disagree with your comments regarding knife crime, and the easy comment regarding money, we have enough Police, how we use them either proactively or reactively is the real issue......I’d rather see your 41 years experience within the civil service focussed on what can be done or improved rather than ‘more money’........so now try again and put that experience to good use.....

I hate to say this...but i agree to an extent

i work for my local council and we have recently undertaken a digital operating model to reduce costs...now why havent we done this earlier? the same technology has existed for years but only when funding cuts come do we try improve, i think there needs to be more incentives to improve reduce costs and not reduce funding to force improvement/modernisation

the same question has always existed, how do you introduce competition/efficency into the public sector without this affecting the most vulnerable?

 

[PhilM]

Another young death from knife wounds in the centre of Liverpool.

 

[Armaghtoffee]

Another young death from knife wounds in the centre of Liverpool.

Shocking news that. Concert Square is getting a bit of a name for itself now.

 

[Walken]

..reduce spend on public services and suffer the consequences.

Yep, it's a social issue, one created by political design, gentrification yo

 

[Walken]

Shocking news that. Concert Square is getting a bit of a name for itself now.

Been full of rats on cheap wizz for years, would never bother with it me

 

[tsubaki]

the same question has always existed, how do you introduce competition/efficency into the public sector without this affecting the most vulnerable?

The problem is that is a stupid question, especially when dealing with the emergency services, what are often unimaginably serious things happening to people and especially with politicians who are too shameless to admit what it is they are proposing ever-present.

Or to put it another way, how much is a rape worth?