2024/25 Kevin Thelwell

[Gilbert..]

Moyes at Utd:

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Moyes at Sociedad:

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Moyes at Sunderland:

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Moyes at West Ham first time:

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Moyes at West Ham:

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And now tell me his transfer record has been good since he left us first time. Especially for the money spent!

Lol at you posting all those links. The sunderland transfers are mostly 1.5m and free transfers. His first spell at west ham has 3 signings.
The main debate is the second spell at west ham when they flogged rice for 100m and he had a bigger budget. Signings just before that like Bowen 20m and soucek 16m were decent before the sale of rice.
Even west ham fans i read are split. Some good some bad. I thought that was the point. Your original post i replied to you've slated him as basically a sh!t manager in the transfer market. I disagreed. Posting links to sunderland signings is proving nothing.
And like i said way back. Their first trophy in 40 years was won with players he bought. The two goalscorers against Fiorentina. Moyes bought players.
Over the top criticism imo.

 

[Dwight K Schrute]

Lol at you posting all those links. The sunderland transfers are mostly 1.5m and free transfers. His first spell at west ham has 3 signings.
The main debate is the second spell at west ham when they flogged rice for 100m and he had a bigger budget. Signings just before that like Bowen 20m and soucek 16m were decent before the sale of rice.
Even west ham fans i read are split. Some good some bad. I thought that was the point. Your original post i replied to you've slated him as basically a sh!t manager in the transfer market. I disagreed. Posting links to sunderland signings is proving nothing.
And like i said way back. Their first trophy in 40 years was won with players he bought. The two goalscorers against Fiorentina. Moyes bought players.
Over the top criticism imo.

Fair enough. Your faith in a provably poor transfer record post Everton is over the top imo.

I don't see why providing links to his recruitment at Sunderland proves nothing. If you are in charge of recruitment you must do the best in the circumstances you find yourself in. Thelwell did exceptionally well in the ridiculous circumstances he was working in. Ask Sunderland fans if they think Moyes' recruitment was good enough there.

And sharing every bit of transfer dealing he has done (when he has been allowed almost complete control of recruitment) is relevant. His record over 12 years since he has left Everton has been pretty poor, no matter what circumstances he has worked in. That is a concern. If we signed aplayer who has had a handful of really good games in 7 or 8 seasons, but he was considered a top talent when he was younger, before those seasons, we would be concerned and saying that the evidence isn't there that they can do it anymore.

But, hey, Moyes is incredible in the transfer market . . .

 

[Gilbert..]

Fair enough. Your faith in a provably poor transfer record post Everton is over the top imo.

I don't see why providing links to his recruitment at Sunderland proves nothing. If you are in charge of recruitment you must do the best in the circumstances you find yourself in. Thelwell did exceptionally well in the ridiculous circumstances he was working in. Ask Sunderland fans if they think Moyes' recruitment was good enough there.

And sharing every bit of transfer dealing he has done (when he has been allowed almost complete control of recruitment) is relevant. His record over 12 years since he has left Everton has been pretty poor, no matter what circumstances he has worked in. That is a concern. If we signed aplayer who has had a handful of really good games in 7 or 8 seasons, but he was considered a top talent when he was younger, before those seasons, we would be concerned and saying that the evidence isn't there that they can do it anymore.

But, hey, Moyes is incredible in the transfer market . . .

How many managers have had a crack at Sunderland with no money and got them out of the rut? Are you really beating him with that stick?
As far as ive read nobody has claimed he's incredible. Ive even posted in these exchanges he's been hit and miss. But you seem to want to just claim he's sh!t.
I'll end it on he did win a trophy with players he bought. I'll take a trophy at Everton if it comes along even with his sh!t bought players.

 

[MACCA75]

Moyes transfers were so bad at West Ham he got them relegated to league 2.

Oh no, actually he got them their highest league positions in a generation and won a trophy didn’t he.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Ward prowse was an established prem player who got near to double figures each season in goals and assists. How much do you think he was going to go for. Id say it was around the going rate at his age of 27.
I dont get the sackable offence comment at all.

If you apply the same logic to Maupay he should've been good value at £13m.

His record before us in England was:

42/12
43/25
37/10
33/8
32/8

 

[Gilbert..]

If you apply the same logic to Maupay he should've been good value at £13m.

His record before us in England was:

42/12
43/25
37/10
33/8
32/8

More to do with Everton than Maupay that one. He played for two clubs that suited him. Brighton and Brentford.
He never fitted Everton from day one. You only have to read the Maupay thread and read the hundreds of he isnt what we needed comments.

 

[Zatara]

I can see a few duds there but nothing catastrophic by any means.

Scamacca, was crap Inthis league but was and still is good elsewhere. Sometimes it's like that.

Ward-Prowse, an overpay defo, but they were flush with Rice money at the time and he'd always been a consistent player with excellent dead ball ability.

Cornet

Fair enough mate, I just didn't read that many howlers. A lot of average, like. Like for example McNeil for us, 15 mil was an okay fee for an okay player.

Flops I can see are Scamacca and Cornet. Though fwiw I think Scamacca is a decent player, just didn't work for him in England.

Theres around 20 duds there or, 3 times as bad signings as good.

 

[Zatara]

Fair enough. Your faith in a provably poor transfer record post Everton is over the top imo.

I don't see why providing links to his recruitment at Sunderland proves nothing. If you are in charge of recruitment you must do the best in the circumstances you find yourself in. Thelwell did exceptionally well in the ridiculous circumstances he was working in. Ask Sunderland fans if they think Moyes' recruitment was good enough there.

And sharing every bit of transfer dealing he has done (when he has been allowed almost complete control of recruitment) is relevant. His record over 12 years since he has left Everton has been pretty poor, no matter what circumstances he has worked in. That is a concern. If we signed aplayer who has had a handful of really good games in 7 or 8 seasons, but he was considered a top talent when he was younger, before those seasons, we would be concerned and saying that the evidence isn't there that they can do it anymore.

But, hey, Moyes is incredible in the transfer market . . .

Its pretty clear that at West Ham Moyes did well with Soucek and Coufal. Then spent big on Paqueta and Kudus with Areola being a sensible deal. Bowen of course fabulous.

6 players from 20+.

 

[van den dom]

Think letting KT is bad move, struggling to understand the rationale tbh

 

[hallamblue]

Think letting KT is bad move, struggling to understand the rationale tbh

TFG are restructuring and bringing in new people and Thelwell is coming to the end of his contract, it's not hard to understand. Whether it's the right decision or not time will tell.

 

[Neiler]

The thing that would have me that bit on alert is the likely PSR shortfall that may need to be rebalanced before the 1st of July, he did well on this last year, hopefully the transition isn’t problematic on this.

 

[Brett Angell Delight]

If you apply the same logic to Maupay he should've been good value at £13m.

His record before us in England was:

42/12
43/25
37/10
33/8
32/8

Honestly I think Maupay should have been good value at that price. We used him horribly, and generally played horrible football.

 

[catcherintherye]

Why? He was generally very good at signing defenders but signed Per Kroldrup after scouting him multiple times - a CB with terrible positioning, who was weak and couldn't head a ball. He signed a CDM in Fellaini (despite loads of scouting) who often struggled to play in the position, he was signed for who he then had to push further up. He signed a winger in Bilyaletdinov who couldn't play on the wing. He signed a lump.like Beattie and then had him running channels

Don't get me wrong, he was generally very good in the market years ago but:
- His record at West Ham for signings was poor overall.
- even in his heyday for transfer acumen, he still made catastrophic mistakes.
- he has never been good at signing strikers.

So, I don't know why you would be so adamant that he isn't a Moyes signing.

I think his record at West Ham was generally good.

 

[catcherintherye]

Fair enough. Your faith in a provably poor transfer record post Everton is over the top imo.

I don't see why providing links to his recruitment at Sunderland proves nothing. If you are in charge of recruitment you must do the best in the circumstances you find yourself in. Thelwell did exceptionally well in the ridiculous circumstances he was working in. Ask Sunderland fans if they think Moyes' recruitment was good enough there.

And sharing every bit of transfer dealing he has done (when he has been allowed almost complete control of recruitment) is relevant. His record over 12 years since he has left Everton has been pretty poor, no matter what circumstances he has worked in. That is a concern. If we signed aplayer who has had a handful of really good games in 7 or 8 seasons, but he was considered a top talent when he was younger, before those seasons, we would be concerned and saying that the evidence isn't there that they can do it anymore.

But, hey, Moyes is incredible in the transfer market . . .

But why is it provably poor?

He stayed at one club longer than a year, signed a lot of good players, and massively improved their performance.

Like honestly, his recruitment has been better than ours.

 

[Benno]

I’d have kept Thelwell because I think he’s done a good job, however, if I owned the club I’d want a flatter structure with various departments reporting directly to the CEO of which youth development and scouting would be two separate reporting lines.