Kenwright and investment

[McBain]

DEFO. In that case behind the club then instead of joining in the paranoid fantasists hanging around cyberworld getting all furious about a fella who's a good blue and put everything on the line to take over from Peter Johnson. Remember him, remember how sh*te we were?

You wouldnt believe we've just finished fifth, reached our first final for beards, have broke our transfer record pretty much every year for the last four seasons and by all accounts are a club that seemingly are going places.

Is right, we're a bit boss again - and we'll get better as Moyes stays around. Wait there, the guy who hired Moyes and stuck by him when probably these same blues were screaming for his head is Kenwright. Sh*t: he's not that after all.

Want to sell our soul to some Arabs and lose our identity, become a virtual other Premiership franchise but sign 50m player whilst acting like proper blerts? Count me out.






These two posts are some of the rightest things wrote on here. Bravo Bainer, Bravo.




* although I've quoted Goat's posts its a sort of aimed at the other paranoiders, possibly except Davek who's mostly ace aswell. And Uncle Stevens, and Jarvis.

A F IT. DO ONE KENWRONG.


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[DENNIS STEVENS]

I agree with 99.99 percent of that apart from the clear swear, cos that is well naughty. Though I understand and respect how the author was driven to such language by the relentless torrent of Anti chairman, Anti progress, Anti yes voter miosis that has slowly strangled the positive outlook, pro Kirkby, pro Kenwright forum members on every Everton forum throughout the world.

You seem to want to paint a line & position everybody one side of it or the other, but your view is somewhat simplistic, imho. Not everybody who is against relocating to Kirkby is necessarily wanting Kenwright out, although i'm sure many would consider it a black mark on his record & for some that's one too many - everybody has a different point of view. There may also be some who are in favour of the proposal partly in the hope that it will increase the chances of a take-over & an end to the Kenwright regime - not exactly what one might call pro-Kenwright.
What one considers to be a positive outlook & progress for the club are also quite subjective, of course & just because you consider those descriptions would fit with your own view of things doesn't mean everybody else will agree with your opinion. The very things you consider positive somebody else may consider as negative & your idea of progress (e.g. Kirkby?) would be the antithesis of somebody elses view.

 

[DENNIS STEVENS]

Great points and very well written.

We all do get frustrated and it manifests itself in different ways. There are people who think Kenwright is bad for not answering their questions, or not knowing 100% of the story. Or not divulging information about certain things. Self proclaimed do-gooders could ultimately do more harm to the club than good. That's why he's the Boss. He protects us from ourselves. If he's corrupt, a power hungry meglomaniac, then lets give him the boot. That's democracy. Just feels like some people are constantly trying to undermine the top brass, and let's face it, will they ever be happy? I think not.

ta, McB. My feeling on Kenwright is that he comes out with a lot of BS & has made a fair few cock-ups but I don't doubt his genuine desire to see the Club succeed. One thing I do know is I'd love to read an autobiography covering his time on the Board, if he writes one in the fullness of time, as I reckon there's so much that could be told but probably never will be it would rival one of his shows for drama!

 

[davek]

I agree with 99.99 percent of that apart from the clear swear, cos that is well naughty. Though I understand and respect how the author was driven to such language by the relentless torrent of Anti chairman, Anti progress, Anti yes voter miosis that has slowly strangled the positive outlook, pro Kirkby, pro Kenwright forum members on every Everton forum throughout the world.

Most alarming post I've read on here. Quite disturbing.

 

[Nebbiolo]

That Moyes signed on for 5 more years (at least/so far) ought to be an indication that he finally (very finally) got the promises he was after. There is no way on gods green earth he would have signed up to manage but at the same time not be allowed to compete.

I can think of 65,000 reasons a week why he signed that contract.

 

[Goat]

Most alarming post I've read on here. Quite disturbing.

Cant believe you left me alone Daveyboy. I had them all telling me Kenwrong was great. It was horrid. They were all pointing to 5th places finishes and runners up in a Cup Final like it was something Everton should be proud of.

 

[chicoazul]

Im a bit proud of last year considering the circumstances.

Im sure Rochdales aspirations of winning the European Cup have to be put into context too.

 

[Goat]

Im a bit proud of last year considering the circumstances.

Im sure Rochdales aspirations of winning the European Cup have to be put into context too.

Shhh, stop it with the common sense.

 

[Chang Elephant]

Here's the main problem that you in the anti-Kenwright brigade can't seem to get your heads around and this is a fact.

The fact is that not one of you can show any evidence whatsoever that Bill Kenwright has turned down investment in Everton Football Club.

It's nothing but faulty reasoning that leads many to think that Kenwright is just screwing us over time and time again.

Until there is PROOF that a billionaire or other wealthy individual has attempted to put funds into our club and been denied, you can save your breath and instead of trying to tear your club down under the guise of "We want what's best for our club," try building it up.

Comprende?

You seriously expect parties that have been rebuffed by the board to go public ? It makes them look bad, would lose them friends in footballing circles, and fans of a club they eventually bought would know they were second choice. Likewise, Kenwright won't gain by making details public, assuming you still trust anything he does make public.

Kenwright is not our club, he's one of the current owners, a further undisclosed effective owner is Philip Green. They're in it for the money and the club will be sold as soon as a big enough offer is made.

 

[SuitsBlueX2]

Kenwright is not our club, he's one of the current owners, a further undisclosed effective owner is Philip Green. They're in it for the money and the club will be sold as soon as a big enough offer is made.

Tired tired tired. Any proof you have then let it loose. When you admit your facts are not actually facts then feel free to apologise to those you have attacked.

 

[SuitsBlueX2]

You seem to want to paint a line & position everybody one side of it or the other, but your view is somewhat simplistic, imho. Not everybody who is against relocating to Kirkby is necessarily wanting Kenwright out, although i'm sure many would consider it a black mark on his record & for some that's one too many - everybody has a different point of view. There may also be some who are in favour of the proposal partly in the hope that it will increase the chances of a take-over & an end to the Kenwright regime - not exactly what one might call pro-Kenwright.
What one considers to be a positive outlook & progress for the club are also quite subjective, of course & just because you consider those descriptions would fit with your own view of things doesn't mean everybody else will agree with your opinion. The very things you consider positive somebody else may consider as negative & your idea of progress (e.g. Kirkby?) would be the antithesis of somebody elses view.

+ rep for you. It is nice to not encounter such anti all the current Everton government as is usually met. That you want to address in a formal and polite manner some of the factors involved with the current malaise is a credit to you. That said, do you reply in such a manner to those that bark down those in favour of Kenwright/Kirkby?
I have a question for you :- Why when Everton Balloted certain season ticket holders, have so many yes voters disappeared into the ether? Did they simply not exist or has the sheer volume and corrosive nature of the bile vomited at them made them take as step back and analyse their position and the seeming 'star of David' position they have subjected themselves too. (After all, it is not their fault they are not the kind for calling for their oppositions blood - due to their democratic right to voice their opinion).

 

[TX Bill]

You seriously expect parties that have been rebuffed by the board to go public ? It makes them look bad, would lose them friends in footballing circles, and fans of a club they eventually bought would know they were second choice. Likewise, Kenwright won't gain by making details public, assuming you still trust anything he does make public.

Kenwright is not our club, he's one of the current owners, a further undisclosed effective owner is Philip Green. They're in it for the money and the club will be sold as soon as a big enough offer is made.

Source?

Link?

Again, nothing but supposition and innuendo but really. So I'll say it again.

Where is the hard evidence that an offer has been made for Everton?

Until I see it, I'll stick with what's known and leave the anti-Kenwright folks to their own devices and whatever makes 'em feel better.

Must be miserable really.

 

[Robert Jarvis]

No offer has ever been made to buy the club from the current shareholders. I doubt if Bill Bullshit has ever formally put the club up for sale because what of the other shareholders have they ever agreed?

It is a load of nonsense from BK that he is looking for the right buyer.

 

[davek]

Source?

Link?

Again, nothing but supposition and innuendo but really. So I'll say it again.

Where is the hard evidence that an offer has been made for Everton?

Until I see it, I'll stick with what's known and leave the anti-Kenwright folks to their own devices and whatever makes 'em feel better.

Must be miserable really.

We know Gregg offered to buy him out. He wouldn't wear it...wouldn't entertain the thought that he might lose his place at "his" club...refused to cooperate with his fellow director and then brought forward his "alternative" investment proposal: the completely bogus Fortress Sports Fund group, including individual backers called Robert Steelhammer, Rachel de la Whatever and Penelope Pitstop to see the threat off.

The belief that Kenwright has been genuinely looking for other people to take control the club up until this moment in time breaks on the rocks of that episode.

It's really not a matter of anyone making themselves 'feel better' by projecting a set of fantasy events - it really happened.

 

[DENNIS STEVENS]

+ rep for you. It is nice to not encounter such anti all the current Everton government as is usually met. That you want to address in a formal and polite manner some of the factors involved with the current malaise is a credit to you. That said, do you reply in such a manner to those that bark down those in favour of Kenwright/Kirkby?
I have a question for you :- Why when Everton Balloted certain season ticket holders, have so many yes voters disappeared into the ether? Did they simply not exist or has the sheer volume and corrosive nature of the bile vomited at them made them take as step back and analyse their position and the seeming 'star of David' position they have subjected themselves too. (After all, it is not their fault they are not the kind for calling for their oppositions blood - due to their democratic right to voice their opinion).

Ta, matey! I certainly try to be polite to all, regardless of their viewpoint. Much of what we discuss on these forums can't be proved or disproved by facts, so we can examine & debate the little information we may have to try & reach as informed a position as possible but after that we're mostly going on gut-feel or maybe a bit of faith & so it's hard to categorically say one point of view is wholly wrong or right.

as regards your question, we can only speculate, of course. but i have another possibility for you - maybe all the efforts from the club to get a yes majority were effective enough to persuade a lot of people to trust the club to proceed with the Kirkby proposal (although I note they still couldn't actually get enough support to get a majority of those polled, interestingly enough), but as time has moved on & more information has emerged to make the proposal seem less attractive then maybes some that feel misled, possibly aggrieved, perhaps even embarrassed. alternatively, it could be that some saw the yes vote as a vote of support for the club in whatever it chose to do and maybe they've never been that fired up about the move at all, whereas those opposed generally seem to be quite committed to blocking it if they can.

my personal view was originally that it was a shame but we could afford nothing else so Kirkby was a case of hobson's choice. but gradually i found out more & more that made me doubt the merits of the proposed move & eventually i became convinced it was not only a bad idea but potentially ruinous to the club. in light of all that has come out over the last couple of years it seems incredible to me that there are still some who are in favour & i'm not yet persuaded by any of the arguments i've heard from that perspective. however, regardless of the arguments either way, everybody is entitled to their opinion & we'll have to just make the best of it anyway, whatever happens. but if it ever actually gets built I'll be desperately hoping all my fears are proved false & that the success of the move is far greater than anybody could have hoped for.

by the way, i've seen some bile vommited in both directions over this issue, although not in perhaps the same sheer volume from both perspectives.