Steve0
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Genuinely intelligent people have an easier command of the language than him.
He's only considered an intellectual by idiots.
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Genuinely intelligent people have an easier command of the language than him.
He's only considered an intellectual by idiots.
Gwladysstreetlad
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Not necessarily. Some people who have masterful command of the language are otherwise as dumb as a box of rocks. While others who are horribly substandard in their use of it can also be very intellectual in other fields.
Steve0
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Today's millennials are probably the least shiftless and hardest working generation we've had for a very long time.
The sense of entitlement I see in real life and online tends to come from men as old or older than you.
And if you honestly think that bad grammar and confusion of their/they're/there is confined to the youngsters then honestly I don't even know how to respond, it comes across (i'm sorry to say) and embittered ramblings of a man pining for his lost youth.
"Winning and losing used to be things that taught you how to progress, to persevere. Not any more. Now everyone gets a participation trophy."
REally? You think youngsters don't realise you have to work hard to get into a good university, then work hard to get a good degree. In fact it's harder now than it's ever been due to the increased global competition and levels of debt.
Your view of millennials is just odd and your use of language ('shiftless, entitled brats') demonstrates a level of anger that implies and underlying issue. People like you love Peterson because he allows to surf his conformation bias all the way to happy town...i say happy town but the older generation often come across as deeply unhappy for some reason.
Also you can easily flip the head spinning salary requests and say this shows they know their worth and are strong enough to demand it whereas the submissive graduates from your generation were just weak, little snowflakes willing to accept whatever they were given, too dumb or naive to know any different. Just saying.
Steve0
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Genuinely, i've literally almost never found that to be case.
Peterson's limited intellect isn't just demonstrated by his lack of eloquence though. He's found a lucrative niche as the neck beards' mouthpiece and kind of run with it, but honestly I see his videos and rarely see anything other than crude generalisations, weird suppositions and illogical conclusions based on unsupported premises.
Gwladysstreetlad
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I definitely agree with the second part of your post regarding the people who follow Peterson almost sheep like.
CahillsCornerFlag
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Funny one this, I both totally agree with something you've said and totally disagree with another in the same thread.
Totally agree with you here. Most of my mates I went to uni with (we're all 27-29 now), are still grafting to get exactly where we want to be. There's delayed gratification, and then there's this. An undergraduate degree is merely the first step; then you need experience in a world which doesn't want anyone for a job in which they don't already have experience - catch 22. I'm 6 months away from qualifying in my field, another mate has a year to go to become a clinical psychologist, the list goes on. Anyone showing such anger at millennials seriously baffles me. Thousands of us are pushing 30 before we even get started in the careers we want.
Disagree that Peterson is of limited intellect, but my main issue with you're argument here is that he never purposefully set out to be a champion of the 'neck beards'. He stood up for free speech by refusing to call someone by their gender pronoun if he was forced to use it (force being his only issue). Seeing the backlash from this, many have found him and his opinions incredibly relatable in a world where logic is ignored in favour of feelings and emotions. Some of the people he manages to debate with without losing his head is genuinely incredible, he has almost unlimited patience. Point being, he didn't set out to do this, it wasn't a pre-planned mission and by all accounts he found it hard for a while adjusting to all the attention. If you think he talks cack then that's fine mate, but I think he's refreshing.
Totally agree with you here. Most of my mates I went to uni with (we're all 27-29 now), are still grafting to get exactly where we want to be. There's delayed gratification, and then there's this. An undergraduate degree is merely the first step; then you need experience in a world which doesn't want anyone for a job in which they don't already have experience - catch 22. I'm 6 months away from qualifying in my field, another mate has a year to go to become a clinical psychologist, the list goes on. Anyone showing such anger at millennials seriously baffles me. Thousands of us are pushing 30 before we even get started in the careers we want.
Disagree that Peterson is of limited intellect, but my main issue with you're argument here is that he never purposefully set out to be a champion of the 'neck beards'. He stood up for free speech by refusing to call someone by their gender pronoun if he was forced to use it (force being his only issue). Seeing the backlash from this, many have found him and his opinions incredibly relatable in a world where logic is ignored in favour of feelings and emotions. Some of the people he manages to debate with without losing his head is genuinely incredible, he has almost unlimited patience. Point being, he didn't set out to do this, it wasn't a pre-planned mission and by all accounts he found it hard for a while adjusting to all the attention. If you think he talks cack then that's fine mate, but I think he's refreshing.
canuckblue
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Touched a nerve, did I? You come across as a pretty bitter person yourself with that diatribe. But as they say, youth is wasted on the young.
Right wing prat popular with pseudo-intellectuals. Swerve.
Wow...he comes off as more of an foolish ass-clown than I expected...and I didn't have that high of expectation for him in the first place.
This is not even a remotely thoughtful response. If you can't do better then just don't even bother replying.
The backlash was because he was clearly courting a confrontation rather than just getting on with his life. To call it a free-speech issue is a manufactured hyperbole in order to draw attention to himself.
To repeat (from my post on page 2):
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Peterson has about a 1 in 1000 chance of being asked by a student, "Excuse me, Professor Peterson, can you please use zhe and zher when you refer to me?"
But let's say he is asked. He now has a few options to choose from:
1) "Sure, I'll do that" (and think nothing more of it because it literally does not affect his life in any meaningful way)
2) "Sure, no problem" (and then have a laugh over it--perhaps even a mocking one--with is friends, and then think nothing more of it)
3) Compare the request for using "zhe/zher" with the death of 100 million people.
He chose option three, which says a lot more about his character and intellect then it does about the hypothetical audacious student who had the "effrontery" to make such a request.
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And his quote was: "I will never use words I hate, like the trendy and artificially constructed words "zhe" and "zher." These words are at the vanguard of a post-modern, radical leftist ideology that I detest, and which is, in my professional opinion, frighteningly similar to the Marxist doctrines that killed at least 100 million people in the 20th century."
I have serious reservations about someone--a Full Professor with a succesful career--who chooses to pursue such a fruitless battle. Imagine if he put his ostensibly "great" intellect to actual good use--maybe saying something about income disparity, or racism, or geo-political strife--rather than picking on the, literally, 1-in-1000 intersex student who asks for a different pronoun. This is simply an extension of the right-wing gay-marriage viewpoint broadened to even more absurd circumstances, and another instance of in-power older white right-wing idiots targeting a small and vulnerable demographic sector in the name of "free-speach" or "foundational morals" or "attackes on our values" etc. Imagine if you were a baker and had to bake a wedding cake for a gay couple...THE HORROR!!!!
To give him the benefit of the doubt, clearly his emotional faculties are not so delicate and fragile that his whole world view, and apparently the free-world as well, would come crumbling down if he had to utter "zhe"? Or to put it another way, he's obviously using this issue to profit from and showcase his rightwing, anti-inclusive, mean-spirited viewpoint. The fact that he dresses it up with pompous affectations and big words doesn't make it anything more than what it is: a poorly disguised whiny whinge about how things are changing in the world and he doesn't have the resolve to keep up with it.
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Late in the year, I identified the rising star of Dr. Jordan Peterson as a sort of exemplar of the dynamic. Conveniently, Dr. Peterson recently participated in a televised interview that provides an almost flawless demonstration.
In this exchange, the interviewer played the combined Blue Church and Blue Faith hand in textbook fashion. One might imagine how effective this approach would have been even a short decade ago, when the necessity of being part of the Blue Church’s “good opinion” was firmly established. But the world has changed.
On the one hand, Peterson failed to respond to the increasingly transparent performative content of the interview. He didn’t play along with the Blue Church script and, therefore, showed that the apparent “good opinion” of the Blue Faith was nearly absent of content.
On the other hand, and this is I think where we really get clarity on the new state of affairs, the Blue Church tried and failed to control the frame after the interview. Try as they might, the combined forces of television and print media failed to form “common knowledge” and “good opinion” around what the interview really meant. Why? Because the meaning of the event is no longer decided by “Broadcast consciousness”. In the 21st Century, meaning is decided on and by the kind of intelligence that is forming around the interactive Digital media. Broadcast consciousness is beginning to decohere and, for now at least, only Red has begun the hard work of adapting a mode of collective intelligence that is coherent around Digital.
In this context, it isn’t surprising that what we are witnessing from Blue is for the most part a mix of performative “virtue signaling” and self-destructive critique; combined with a building agitation and anomie. The tides have changed and the once dominant modes of Blue are now very much a fish out of water.
worth a read, IMHO.
In this exchange, the interviewer played the combined Blue Church and Blue Faith hand in textbook fashion. One might imagine how effective this approach would have been even a short decade ago, when the necessity of being part of the Blue Church’s “good opinion” was firmly established. But the world has changed.
On the one hand, Peterson failed to respond to the increasingly transparent performative content of the interview. He didn’t play along with the Blue Church script and, therefore, showed that the apparent “good opinion” of the Blue Faith was nearly absent of content.
On the other hand, and this is I think where we really get clarity on the new state of affairs, the Blue Church tried and failed to control the frame after the interview. Try as they might, the combined forces of television and print media failed to form “common knowledge” and “good opinion” around what the interview really meant. Why? Because the meaning of the event is no longer decided by “Broadcast consciousness”. In the 21st Century, meaning is decided on and by the kind of intelligence that is forming around the interactive Digital media. Broadcast consciousness is beginning to decohere and, for now at least, only Red has begun the hard work of adapting a mode of collective intelligence that is coherent around Digital.
In this context, it isn’t surprising that what we are witnessing from Blue is for the most part a mix of performative “virtue signaling” and self-destructive critique; combined with a building agitation and anomie. The tides have changed and the once dominant modes of Blue are now very much a fish out of water.
worth a read, IMHO.
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