I’m happy for you too.
Jordan Peterson Thread.
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I’m happy for you too.
I got about 5 minutes in before I had to turn her off. What a smug self satisfied condescending excuse for a person.
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what is meant by a word, text, concept, or action.
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What about meaning?
Here's what I mean:
I agree with him on his critiques of post-modernism. Many post-modern works are rife with nonsensical indigestible word-salad. Even in my own field a "po-mo" critique was launched against it, in the book "Primate Visions," which was a book that tried to put the science of animal behavior in a post-modern perspective. It failed. And one of my former colleagues wrote a review of the book, where he stated this:
"This is a book that contradicts itself a hundred times; but that is not a criticism of it, because its author thinks contradictions are a sign of intellectual ferment and vitality. This is a book that systematically distorts and selects historical evidence; but that is not a criticism, because its author thinks that all interpretations are biased, and she regards it as her duty to pick and choose her facts to favor her own brand of politics. This is a book full of vaporous, French-intellectual prose that makes Teilhard de Chardin sound like Ernest Hemingway by comparison; but that is not a criticism, because the author likes that sort of prose and has taken lessons in how to write it, and she thinks that plain, homely speech is part of a conspiracy to oppress the poor. This is a book that clatters around in a dark closet of irrelevancies for 450 pages before it bumps accidentally into its index and stops; but that is not a criticism, either, because its author finds it gratifying and refreshing to bang unrelated facts together as a rebuke to stuffy minds."
So, yeah, Peterson and I can agree (for the most part) that some post-modern critiques are unhelpful, non-contributory nonsense.
That's where we agree. Here's where we differ:
Peterson has about a 1 in 1000 chance of being asked by a student, "Excuse me, Professor Peterson, can you please use zhe and zher when you refer to me?"
But let's say he is asked. He now has a few options to choose from:
1) "Sure, I'll do that" (and think nothing more of it because it literally does not affect his life in any meaningful way)
2) "Sure, no problem" (and then have a laugh over it--perhaps even a mocking one--with is friends, and then think nothing more of it)
3) Compare the request for using "zhe/zher" with the death of 100 million people.
He chose option three, which says a lot more about his character and intellect then it does about the hypothetical audacious student who had the "effrontery" to make such a request.
As to canuckblue's statements about today's youth, here is what I mean:
In his own words:
"today's millennials, [are] by and large, the shiftless, entitled brats they are. They're the product of an overprotective, bubble-wrapping train of thought that tells them they're all special, don't need to be accountable for their actions (because mummy and daddy will take care of everything) and can't fail." Further, he suggested they are not responsible and play the "poor me, I'm the victim here" card.
I think his statement is an unhelpful and ridiculous generalization. It seems to suggest that easily-aggrieved spoiled, entitled children are a recent invention that only turned up in the last few decades due to a "progressive agenda" when in fact every generation has its share of entitled spoiled idiots (our current 71 year old president being one example) and its share of thoughtful hard-working individuals. Further, since time immemorial, the older generation has cast a judgmental and "we worked harder than thou" eye on the younger generation. Peterson is apparently doing it. Alan Bloom did it in the 80s. I seem to recall that WF Buckley did it in the 60s, and on back to Churchill and beyond. If anything, it seems to be a part of getting old to criticize the youth, rather than the youth actually doing something wrong. The youth of today, like every generation, are more quick to wave a fist in the air, or hold up a placard in support/opposition of some cause, or engage in some anti-establishment behavior. This is nothing new. But it is apparently a problem that gets old white guys very upset...and that's definitely something we can count on every generation.
My understanding is that the impetus for all the supposed transphobia wasn't an example of a student and Peterson, it was a video he made regarding bill C-16 in the Ontario parliament. If asked by an actual individual student in his own classroom in the course of instruction, he says he would call them pretty much whatever they request within reason. I take his word as good on this topic. The point is the compulsion of the state and the compelled nature of the speech.
Did you ever read bill C-16? It is frightening. It is a hammer.
edit: I suspect Peterson would say that you are higher in agreeableness than he is. He is not an agreeable man.
No, haven't read bill C-16, but I'll take a look if I have time.
One certainly could take his word as good on this topic, but to me he comes off as disingenous about his word given he wrote:
"I will never use words I hate, like the trendy and artificially constructed words "zhe" and "zher." These words are at the vanguard of a post-modern, radical leftist ideology that I detest, and which is, in my professional opinion, frighteningly similar to the Marxist doctrines that killed at least 100 million people in the 20th century."
I can give you another old white guy's perspective. These shiftless millennials are not the ones I encounter. I know the shiftless entitled ones also exist, but I don't encounter them. Most of the millennials I'm in contact with are musicians, and pretty good ones at that.
I think about fifty years ago and there are so many more tools, but so many more distractions as well. They have to leap a higher hurdle to stand out because expectations are higher than they used to be in music and IT. There's a bigger and more addictive rabbit hole to jump into in the social media culture than ever before, and I think that has a lot to do with it. Parenting cycles cycle, and I confess that the ever-hovering nature of the urban professional parental unit is not what we lived with back in the day, which I think can retard the need to flee the nest for some while it makes others bore a hole through the wall to escape. Old men will always complain, and so will youngsters when they hear them.
Just wikipedia'ed the C-16 bill. Here is the official summary, which I don't find to be a hammer:
The bill is intended to protect individuals from discrimination within the sphere of federal jurisdiction and from being the targets of hate propaganda,[4] as a consequence of their gender identity or their gender expression. The bill adds "gender identity or expression" to the list of prohibited grounds of discrimination in the Canadian Human Rights Act and the list of characteristics of identifiable groups protected from hate propaganda in the Criminal Code. It also adds that evidence that an offence was motivated by bias, prejudice or hate based on a person's gender identity or expression constitutes an aggravating circumstance for a court to consider when imposing a criminal sentence.
To me, this sounds like a standard wording for hate crimes (not that I have much knowledge of that wording). Apparently, a lot of US states already have laws like this (i.e., criminalizing bias against gender identity) including many states that I've lived in. I have no problem with such laws.
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How do you relate to him mezzrow? I don't know his work in any depth, though I've seen a bit of him in the recent news. He seems strong and articulate on the self-help guru stuff, which must come from his psychiatry background, but beyond that it seems a bit tedious? CBA listening to generalists weighing into very complex societal issues through the medium of a 20 min youtube clip, just seems futile.
More right-wing conservatism.
In short - Peterson's not a short form guy. One man's tedium is another man's passion - my wife thinks football is tedious.
He's not a generalist, though. Once you understand the focus, you can perceive how focused he is. A brief news clip is not to be trusted regarding Peterson.
More right-wing conservatism.
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Massive fan, got his new book sat on my bedside table but forcing myself to finish my previous book as I’ve got into a bad habit of not finishing them lately.
Watched many hours of clips of him on YouTube, currently going through a playlist on the Jungian Shadow.
Watched many hours of clips of him on YouTube, currently going through a playlist on the Jungian Shadow.
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