MikelsGoat's real name is Craig
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True mate but that would mean him having to ask for a transfer request, something players can be reluctent to do, especially at a club like Everton, hes played enough games against Rooney to know that.
Not saying he wont but you can be sure the club would lay the blame very much at his door if he wanted to leave. Im sure that al comes into the descion making process.
Why won't they sell? Because they don't need to. They already have CL squads, AND they have the money to spend this summer.
The reasons we are suggesting that we need to consider excessive bids simply don't exist at those clubs.
Everton don't have a top 4 squad and they don't have money to spend. What's the plan to break the big 4? Arsenal were [Poor language removed] for half a season, played loads more games than us in Europe and still finished 10 points clear after they bought an established world class player. So is the plan to stick with the same squad next season and hope Arsenal are (substantially) worse next season?
If they didn't have the money, then they would consider offers for their players that were excessive. If you don't believe me, look where Kaka is going to be playing next season.
Oh, but it's really easy to use Wigan as the emotive name for clubs who sell their best players. Why is nobody using Milan?
Milan sold their best player and recieved nearly the highest figure ever for a footballer. Its a record in ££££, but not in Euros.
For £56m I would carry Lescott on my back to City.
Are they mate last i heard Liverpool were skinto flinto, Arsenal too.
Well its about opinion. Ive already said i think our squad is strong enough with a bit of luck to get a top four, and i think we will sign a couple of players regardless if anyone goes. I dont see our squad as a static thing regardless of signings. Young players break into our squad and make a contribution, last season everyone told me i was deluded for saying Rodwell and Gos would make an impact and they proved many wrong. Who to say the likes of Baxter and Wallace wont make an impact next year, equally our players improve each season and i beleive there is still development in our squad im sure of that. I know i dont have to point out the glaringly obvious point of some good players coming back into the squad. So has our squad reached its limit? Well for me no! Why are peole painting a picture of how weak our squad is when its clearly not, regardless of sales we will sign players.
What ever way you look at it mate four better results during the season and we are better then Arsenal, Champions League money and all, what was it the season before?
Im against the sale for all the reasons ive stated, and heres another clearly every decent footabll manager tries to put cornerstones and foundations into a team, make them difficult to beat and break down, Lescott is one of our foundations our defensive record over the last couple of seasons proves that, its the springboard of our success. You dont sell your cornerstones to buy a finishing player like the Mout assuming that a given, simple as.
Ok useing Milan as an example i think the selling of Kaka smaks of a lack of ambition, so do the AC fans actually, but hey you never know we can be just like them and get Senderos on loan next season
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Ahhh ok, so we are just talking about the numbers. All these golden rules don't count if you get enough money.
And Shevchenko being sold to Chelsea for £30m? Remember Shevchenko was still amazing for Milan at the time, and they still brought him back after the failure.
And Robinho being sold for £30m? He was a virtual ever present in the Madrid team that won the league.
Fact is that the top teams have sold players between themselves for years.
Said all this myself;
http://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/e...nd-kith-harris-remember-him-3.html#post329620
http://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/e...nd-kith-harris-remember-him-4.html#post329641
A manager, rather than a club selling a player is not always a sign of weakness.
They might not have Chelsea money, but they have something to spend, plus they have better squads than us already. We need to close the gap, which is huge based on last season. 9 points from Arsenal over the whole season, but remember that they were ace with Arshavin compared to before - on that form, they have to be worth an extra 5-10 points themselves.
We were 20 points behind Chelsea. To put it another way, the gap between us and Chelsea is about the same size as the gap between us and Stoke.
But they clearly have money. Arsenal needed a world class playmaker last season, so they bought one.
Liverpool wanted Gareth Barry last summer. And guess what? They were willing to sell a first player (Alonso) to get him. Granted, they were the same position, but people keep telling me it's a squad game.
Arsenal lashed a reported 12-13 mill on Arshavein, less then we payed for Fellaini.
With the majority of our squad hit with injury we still managed three wins of them and all their Champions Leauge sponds. Again not forgetting the fact they went 23 games or something ridiculous unbeaten this season, hardly an average season like. Like i said theres more to come from this team, our youth team and i know we will make signings, wheather it will be enough? Well its all about opinions, mine is, with the above in mind, we are in with a shout. But not by selling one of the most important players who helps make up the foundation that much of our success has been built on.
Im sure Arteta, Yak maybe even Vaghany may have upped our points tally a little.
Im not so sure all the Alonso stuff was true to be honest, i think they are in a worse state this year and Ming has come out and said hes going no where, so who knows.
The point has to be made that many players who do pass between the top clubs really are passing there peak or close to thirty, or the are not apt to the strategy a club is trying to adopt. I dont think there are many like Lescott who are only getting close to their full potential and who could have another decade in the game. Lets face fact it doesnt happen to often at the top clubs and i beleive certainly not to fund transfers, its lunacey to dilute the quality in your squad.
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Makis
Player Valuation: £8m
Not really because Everton can't really afford to put him into the reserves.
And if he gets 50k pw more he would over 10 million more in four seasons.
ToxtethBlue
Player Valuation: £50m
What your saying is not strictly true, there is no Golden rule here as many clubs have done what we could "potentially" do.
Manchester Utd sold Beckham for 25 million and brought in Ronaldo for 12 million, Arsenal sold Anelka for 22 million and replaced him with Thierry Henry for 10 million, Arsenal also sold Marc Overmars for 25 million and replaced him with Robert Pires for around 6 million and Seville built a new side by selling prize assets like Jose Antonio Reyes for big money. The list goes on and on really.
It does happen, at every level of Football. If you’ve got a good manager and good money there is a good chance you’ll kick on and improve. Obviously it can go either way but that’s football.
Do you honestly believe we’ll spend 15 million this season without having to sell someone? I can’t see it, looking at it realistically. Money is getting tighter and tighter and over the past two seasons we’ve clearly struggled to get Moyes money. We ended up leaving it until the last day and both James McFadden and Andy Johnson fee’s covered the Fellaini transfer. What did we spend, 2 million net?
Obviously I hope your right but I can’t see it, I’d love to be wrong. If Moyes is given 15 million (without having to sell anyone) then maybe we’ll be okay.
If Lescott was sold Moyes could potentially have 35 million (if he gets that 15 million you think he’ll get) to look for a replacement and improve in other areas. That’s quite a lot of money and he’s usually good in the transfer market.
I don’t want any of this to happen by the way, none of us do. I’d much rather build on players like Joleon Lescott but 20 million is a hell of a lot of money for a centre back and we don’t seem to have any other ways of raising money. We don’t have an Andy Johnson to sell on and we aren’t close to being took over by a new owner.
Philw
Player Valuation: £50m
Exactly. Only better than I could have said it. I'm not saying yeah lets do it, but if the balance can be struck between the improvement in other areas vs the loss in defense and cover for jags injuries, ANC and other side effects (appearance of lack of ambition, both to players and fans, unsettling a tight team unit) can be struck, then it should be seriously considered, but on our terms and ours only.
Well in short, every deal has a context and the Overmars, Beckham, Anelka and even Reyes deals had a context for different reasons, but i accept it is possible. A point though if you look at those deals those clubs were not selling to direct rivals in what is your bread and butter which is the league. Intrestingly in the deals you mentioned the players who camein took a season or two settle and develop their potential, can we really afford that at our stage of devlopment and looseing a key first team player.
I accept players are sold at every club, even the CL ones, but hardly ever out of neccessity. Personally i dont think we need to nessecarily sell one our best players. Like i say if he hands in a request that would colour my thinking, but i would seriously be upset if the club accepted a fee for a quality player based purely on funds. It smacks of something we should never be again. Maybe im just not prepared to take the risk of counting on the "quality player" we havnt signed yet with potential cash. Im not confident that a sudden influx of cash would help our negotiating position with deals, but thats pots and pans and speaking hypotheitcly. Ive pretty much outlined my reasons in all my posts and for me there pretty water tight and genuine concerns in terms of any sale.
On the transfer budget, im confident we will have 10-15 mill, im not sure our actions last year were guided compleatley by access to funds, a lot of mistakes were made, maybe the timing of finance being available, maybe bad decison making, maybe Moyes being bloody minded, who knows its subjective. The club has made more this year then before on TV, looks like there may be an increase next seasons Euro TV funding, and weve signed a few new merchandiseing deals, im not to disheartened about budgets as Moyesy almost always gets it right.
Whats more of an imperative is keeping the squad togehter, like i say, im confident in the squad, i think they can progress and push on, i think some players will come through again and i think with a more settled summer we could hit the ground running and make up the few points on Arsenal. Obviously i think we can improve on recruitment strategy and also think we will. Im not sure we need to lash 35 mill into the squad especially at the expense of Lescott, nor do i think that if he was sold that all that money would necessarily go on transfers.
In short im confident in what we have and what we can develop, and with a clever buy or two i think we can challenge.
I know no one wants this to happen, some would entertain it more then others, but i admit i would seriously be disgusted if he moved to City for the reasons ive mentioned in my posts, i think it would massively undermine a lot within and outside the club.
I honestly would prefer to sign no one.
I accept players are sold at every club, even the CL ones, but hardly ever out of neccessity. Personally i dont think we need to nessecarily sell one our best players. Like i say if he hands in a request that would colour my thinking, but i would seriously be upset if the club accepted a fee for a quality player based purely on funds. It smacks of something we should never be again. Maybe im just not prepared to take the risk of counting on the "quality player" we havnt signed yet with potential cash. Im not confident that a sudden influx of cash would help our negotiating position with deals, but thats pots and pans and speaking hypotheitcly. Ive pretty much outlined my reasons in all my posts and for me there pretty water tight and genuine concerns in terms of any sale.
On the transfer budget, im confident we will have 10-15 mill, im not sure our actions last year were guided compleatley by access to funds, a lot of mistakes were made, maybe the timing of finance being available, maybe bad decison making, maybe Moyes being bloody minded, who knows its subjective. The club has made more this year then before on TV, looks like there may be an increase next seasons Euro TV funding, and weve signed a few new merchandiseing deals, im not to disheartened about budgets as Moyesy almost always gets it right.
Whats more of an imperative is keeping the squad togehter, like i say, im confident in the squad, i think they can progress and push on, i think some players will come through again and i think with a more settled summer we could hit the ground running and make up the few points on Arsenal. Obviously i think we can improve on recruitment strategy and also think we will. Im not sure we need to lash 35 mill into the squad especially at the expense of Lescott, nor do i think that if he was sold that all that money would necessarily go on transfers.
In short im confident in what we have and what we can develop, and with a clever buy or two i think we can challenge.
I know no one wants this to happen, some would entertain it more then others, but i admit i would seriously be disgusted if he moved to City for the reasons ive mentioned in my posts, i think it would massively undermine a lot within and outside the club.
I honestly would prefer to sign no one.
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Pootsy
Player Valuation: £30m
As much as I value Lescott, that type of money dosen't grow on trees as far as we are concerned. A replacement could be found and with one of the best or even the best defensive coach in the business, why couldn't we find a replacement and have change?
Also, if Citeh are after him, surely a deal including Micah Richards and an extended Jo deal would represent fantastic business.
Also, if Citeh are after him, surely a deal including Micah Richards and an extended Jo deal would represent fantastic business.
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