Joleon Lescott

Nebbiolo · June 10, 2009

MikelsGoat said:
He didnt, I was just the bigger man and walked away, wasnt worth getting into really, hes got his view and ive got mine. He lacks ambition and im swimming in it, nothing more to add to be fair.

Stop digging, lad, before Lordy comes back and gives you another spanking.

Goat · June 10, 2009

I will drop you, quicker than a fat man drops a lettuce.

Dutch Toffee · June 10, 2009

lordyefc said:
OK, so your position is that we should stick with what we have, because it's a risk trying to improve the squad through selling a player, and we might slip from our current position as a result. i.e. given a choice between no decent signings or losing Lescott, you choose the former.

That's a perfectly valid point of view - not one I agree with, but still a reasonable one. However, I will just point out that earlier in this thread you were accusing your fellow blues of lacking ambition. Now, given the choice between sticking with what we have or at least attempting to improve the squad, you are calling the latter "too risky". I don't think you can claim the ambition high road there.

Blue Wiz said:
This can easily be turned the other way as well, bu switching a few words...

"OK, so your position is that we should sell what good we have, because it's a risk keeping the squad since we might slip from our current position as a result. i.e. given a choice between no decent signings or losing Lescott, you choose the later.

That's a perfectly valid point of view - not one I agree with, but still a reasonable one. Now, given the choice between sticking with what we have or at least attempting to improve the squad by selling one of our best players to buy an unproven player, you are calling the former "too risky"....

It's all in the way you put it. b)

I personally can't see the logic in selling a great player that we need since our other choises in that position is gone for 2/3 of the season (Jags injured and Yobo for ANC), just to sign a player you have seen on tv in another league that plays a totally different style than the PL. But that's me, I can see how you think and if we had another great CD I might even reason just as you do. But for me.. the risk is too great since we might loose our stability in the defence and therefore slump down in the league as a result.

Talk about public spanking. :unsure:

Top post Blue Wiz, was thinking the same. (y)

Neiler · June 10, 2009

ToxtethBlue said:
The problem is Neiler, how are we supposed to buy players like Moutinho, Mbia, Trochowski etc with our budget? We spent 15 million on the last day of the deadline and that was after selling both Andy Johnson and James McFadden.

We have to be realistic here, Moyes will be lucky to get 12 million and that’ll probably be with someone like Victor Anichebe leaving for 2-3 million. Money is tight at the moment (credit crunch) and we all know Bill struggles to find money every year.

I wouldn’t like to see Lescott leave, I think he’s ‘quality’ and I’m sure the majority of Evertonian’s do I don’t see what’s wrong with looking at a deal like the one mentioned, we are talking 20 million for a centre back. It’s a lot of money and I have no doubts the club would look at it.

If anything the club is sending out the wrong messages to the players, the fact that Moyes still only has a small budget to work with despite his excellent finishes over the past few years. As you’ve said many times before, he’s working miracles but he can only do so much.

20 million at least gives Moyes something to work with. I don’t think anyone’s being stupid or mad for considering a deal like that, for a defender.

To be honest if it was a choice between signing no one and keeping this squad together, id choose to keep the squad together.

Golden rule of football management, you dont sell your quality players to fund others, with the exception that they want to leave, if that is the case they can go.

We have proven consistently that we dont need wads of wonga to be competitive in the higher end of the league and i dont think this squad has finished developing here. I also think we will have in and around 15mill to play with anyway so im not into this whole raising funds jazz, as i think the team need minor adjustments. Equally im not so sure this squad couldnt challenge for a top four place if we got a bit of luck, im sure there still progressing with one or two others to be possibly added to it regardless of transfers. Our success could arguably be put down to consistencey and morale and i dont think one of our top players leaving like Lescott would do anything to improve that.

Like i said it sends out compleately the worng message to our existing players that they can be touched for the right price and in doing so we are colluding with what some would see as Everton being a "stepping stone" to bigger things.

I see absolutley no point selling one of our best players to a club who hope to be better then us next season, and Villa should hang their head in shame that they allowed Barry to go there, i would be disgusted if i was a Villa fan and it would convey a real lack of ambition.

So ok we get our 20 mill grubby notes and what then, we go to Sporting put our bid in for Mouthino only to find City have a rival offer in. We could very easily be gazumped again and be well and trually shafted. Or what happens if we sign Mouthino he has a couple of decent seasons and another club offers us a wad for him! I thought we were trying to build something here.

Ok so we sell and get 20 mill cold, needless to say any centre half we go in for will cost about 7 mill if teams think we have a few notes, and bobs your uncle your 20 mill isnt going to go very far. Simply put a decison to sell Lescott could really leave us open to market forces

Away from all that i ask myself if Lescott signed for Barca or Real would he improve their defence? in my opinion i would say yes. That my friends in my opinionis is the type of quality we are looking to get 20 mill reddies for!

BIG NO!

Nebbiolo · June 10, 2009

It's a golden rule if you're talking about selling your best players for the going rate. But with Joleon, we're talking about selling him at double the going rate, and making signings merely at the going rate. That's where the difference lies, Neil.

Neiler · June 10, 2009

Nebbiolo said:
It's a golden rule if you're talking about selling your best players for the going rate. But with Joleon, we're talking about selling him at double the going rate, and making signings merely at the going rate. That's where the difference lies, Neil.

Vidic
Ferdinad
Evans
Carragher
Skirtyl
Agger
Terry
Alex

All players that wont be signing for City this summer, why because there clubs wont sell them, ask yourself what you want Everton to sign up to, why would we want to be grouped with the Wigans of this world!

Nebbiolo · June 10, 2009

Neiler said:
Vidic
Ferdinad
Evans
Carragher
Skirtyl
Agger
Terry
Alex

All players that wont be signing for City this summer, why because there clubs wont sell them, ask yourself what you want Everton to sign up to, why would we want to be grouped with the Wigans of this world!

We're not ranked with the Wigan's of this world. If United cashed in on Ronaldo, you wouldn't claim they were no better than Wigan. Rather, you would say that they ripped off Real Madrid. That will be what we do if if we let Joleon go.

Neiler · June 10, 2009

Nebbiolo said:
We're not ranked with the Wigan's of this world. If United cashed in on Ronaldo, you wouldn't claim they were no better than Wigan. Rather, you would say that they ripped off Real Madrid. That will be what we do if if we let Joleon go.

Ronaldo wont leave Utd mate, nailed on. The top teams, who we aspire to be, don't cash in their players, they sell fringe players not their stand oout ones. Wigan sell their best players and try and find cheaper gems out there just as many are advocating Everton do on here.

A seperate point, in view of a takeover the club would look far more attractive with an English international centre half on the balance sheet compared to a Roger Johnson or someone.

Goat · June 10, 2009

Neb supports Wigan.

Screech · June 10, 2009

Nebbiolo - Ronaldo is desperate to leave Utd, do you really think they'd sell if he wasn't? Whereas Lescott is happy at Everton

GrandOldTeam · June 10, 2009

Screech said:
Nebbiolo - Ronaldo is desperate to leave Utd, do you really think they'd sell if he wasn't? Whereas Lescott is happy at Everton

Will he remain happy though if Man City had £80,000 a week on the table?

Blue Wiz · June 10, 2009

Nebbiolo said:
It's a golden rule if you're talking about selling your best players for the going rate. But with Joleon, we're talking about selling him at double the going rate, and making signings merely at the going rate. That's where the difference lies, Neil.

The big thing here is that we probably won't get players for their going rate. We will also probably have to pay more than their going rate. If we hold out for as much money as possible, why should we assume that other clubs won't do the same if we come snooping around for their players? They will want to get as much money as possible to buy a replacement for the man we buy from them.

Nebbiolo · June 10, 2009

MikelsGoat said:
Neb supports Wigan.

MikelsGoat's real name is Craig :lol:

Neiler · June 10, 2009

GrandOldTeam said:
Will he remain happy though if Man City had £80,000 a week on the table?

There not allowed make an offer to him mate, unless we give permission!

Nebbiolo · June 10, 2009

Neiler said:
There not allowed make an offer to him mate, unless we give permission!

But there are a 1001 ways around that, mate. Just reveal to another source what you would pay, and Joleon will hear about it.

Anyway, I'm sure he'll be with us next season.