Brendan Janus
Player Valuation: £40m
Agreed !!
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Agreed !!
whiteshadow
Player Valuation: £25m
£35m I think. That's pretty crazy in itself considering you're paying mostly for potential rather than experience and proven ability.
I think you have to remember you're paying for what he might become, not what he actually is at present, which is a good defender who has the potential to become world class.
I think you have to remember you're paying for what he might become, not what he actually is at present, which is a good defender who has the potential to become world class.
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Although I'm glad we didn't sell i think we missed the chance to get the max possible fee for him, can't see him going for over £40m this time next year unless he has the most mega euro's ever.
I know lots of our fans think we will get more if he has another good season but it's not a view shared by...well anyone who isn't an Everton fan.
I know lots of our fans think we will get more if he has another good season but it's not a view shared by...well anyone who isn't an Everton fan.
Gwladys Nights
Player Valuation: £15m
Yeah this Summer was the high water mark for his value. It's great that we kept him, because maximising transfer revenue isn't the ultimate goal in football (winning trophies is). But we won't see bids far north of £30m for him again. Vault me.
A relevant case is Jack Rodwell. He was being talked up as a £40m Man United target after he scored that boss goal against them, and we were made up when he didn't move that summer. But he then ended up going to their neighbours for about a quarter of that after we let him actually play in football matches for two years. Could be the same thing with Stonesy.
A relevant case is Jack Rodwell. He was being talked up as a £40m Man United target after he scored that boss goal against them, and we were made up when he didn't move that summer. But he then ended up going to their neighbours for about a quarter of that after we let him actually play in football matches for two years. Could be the same thing with Stonesy.
It would seem likely that the England team on Tuesday could well be a bit different from the team that started on Saturday.
RH isn't a gambler nor indeed are most managers once they get to a major finals so barring injury I would expect Smalling and probably Cahill to be the starting CDs.
Once we get past Euro 2016i would suspect that Stones will either be starting for England or pushing for selection but prior to the closing of the 2016 summer transfer window he is going to be judged on his PL performances and added in will be potential.
I personally think he will be gone in January or at the latest September next .
If I am right none of the really big Eureopean clubs will be pushing for him meaning a move to any of Man Utd, Man City, Arsenal or Chelsea
For those that are thinking of £40 million sorry that really isn't going to happen. I personally don't believe Chelsea went over £30 million in the last window for I find it impossible to believe that Everton,despite the words, were or ever will be in a position to turndown such an offer
Put all that together and when he goes, for he will then I don't believe the fee will be over £35 million
Erm... Do you realise you've just said Cahill and Chris Smalling of all people is a lesser gamble than playing John Stones?
I don't think I actually said that Cahill & Smalling are less of a gamble I said RH isn't a gambler. He sticks by what he knows.
The trouble is its all too easy to see from an Everton perspective.
Cahill I suspect is 90 % certain barring injury to occupy one of the starting berths come tuesday and probably 99% come the finals themselves.
Smalling is something of a regular international starter himself and has played six full internationals in each of the last two years and three to date in 2015. I suspect he is about 75% certain to start the tournament
Both Smalling and Cahill have played far more games in both the league and indeed the CL and that is key.The other day Southgate was talking about the experience gained from playing CL games .
Its undeniable Stones potential but it's down to RH and I really don't think it's quite the given that some suspect that he is even guaranteed a place in the squad let alone the starting eleven.
Come the end of the tournament and moving on to thinking about the WC in Russia then yes but I suspect that he will be long gone by then
The trouble is its all too easy to see from an Everton perspective.
Cahill I suspect is 90 % certain barring injury to occupy one of the starting berths come tuesday and probably 99% come the finals themselves.
Smalling is something of a regular international starter himself and has played six full internationals in each of the last two years and three to date in 2015. I suspect he is about 75% certain to start the tournament
Both Smalling and Cahill have played far more games in both the league and indeed the CL and that is key.The other day Southgate was talking about the experience gained from playing CL games .
Its undeniable Stones potential but it's down to RH and I really don't think it's quite the given that some suspect that he is even guaranteed a place in the squad let alone the starting eleven.
Come the end of the tournament and moving on to thinking about the WC in Russia then yes but I suspect that he will be long gone by then
MACCA75
Player Valuation: £70m
I think Smalling is a quality player tbh, he's really improved defensively. Cahill is less showy but generally solid.
bourneblue
Player Valuation: £10m
It's a dammed if you do dammed if you don't scenario regarding the possible sale of John Stones.
His value will rise of that I've no doubt, but I can guarantee you had he been sold for £35 million a lot of posters in this thread would have been going ballistic.
We shall see.
His value will rise of that I've no doubt, but I can guarantee you had he been sold for £35 million a lot of posters in this thread would have been going ballistic.
We shall see.
He's not bad, but if United were at the level they should be, he'd barely make the bench.
Whereas John Stones would walk into that United side as first choice in my view. The days of United having quality like Ferdinand and Vidic are long gone.
John Stones is a definite starter for the Euros - Roy would be bonkers not to play him there given how suited to the international game his style of play is, and how he's more than likely going to be the automatic pick and probable captain for the next 10 years too.
I would have wanted to personally throttle Kenwright if we had sold for a stupid fee like £35m. I think many feel the same way too.
We're lucky enough to have yet again one of the best in the world in his position at a young age - selling for short change like we did with the Rooney money would have caused riots.
Think your in for a huge disappointment.
He really is too inexperienced and yes he will get the token game at this stage and in time if he starts to show his worth and live up to his potential there is no doubt that the sky is the limit but this tournament is probably a year too early
He won't displace Cahill unless he is injured and Ithink RH is set on Smalling as his other first choice.
Why would Everton sell in January for only a couple more million that they already turned down? Replacing him would be difficult and expensive in that window without any bedding in time either.
Why did my finger click on this thread? Stupid move.
Apparently the many 'experts' in here have already sold him next Summer.
Apparently the many 'experts' in here have already sold him next Summer.
What I said was next window or the latest September .
The reason it wouldn't suprise me about Januray is that to a degree the dust will have settled,Stones will have either repeated his position and or the offer of a new contract will have been accepted or declined. Any plan that the two clubs have agreed will come into play etc. The politics will have played out. It's akin, in mind to the WBA situation
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