John Stones transfer saga

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My contestation is that if we're to have a transfer budget of note this summer a player will have to be sold in order to supplement any small amount of cash handed to Martinez ... so in answer to your question I'd say I'm 60% 'convinced' about it.

Fair enough.
A well reasoned argument that.
 
My contestation is that if we're to have a transfer budget of note this summer a player will have to be sold in order to supplement any small amount of cash handed to Martinez. So, we have a situation whereby we could, in theory, retain Stones for the time being and just add another player up front plus maybe a loan. If Martinez is serious about a playmaker, a CB and an attacker though, a departure is required. Stones is the name in the frame at the moment and I seriously doubt Chelsea are going to leave things as they stand. They (as far as I know) are not pursuing any other CB and Mourinho offered no guarantees that Chelsea wouldn't be in the market before the window shuts. I've thought all along he'll eventually go this window and I still think that's more likely than not, so in answer to your question I'd say I'm 60% 'convinced' about it.

Alternatively Dave I could see the following happening

We sign the 3 players he wants and all seems rosy in the garden if Everton. We then sell Stones on transfer deadline day without a replacement lined up ( except one of the 3 will be a centre back ) and Martinez will praise the potential of Galloway and Browning.
 
Alternatively Dave I could see the following happening

We sign the 3 players he wants and all seems rosy in the garden if Everton. We then sell Stones on transfer deadline day without a replacement lined up ( except one of the 3 will be a centre back ) and Martinez will praise the potential of Galloway and Browning.
Very possible. Same outcome, different route.
 
My contestation is that if we're to have a transfer budget of note this summer a player will have to be sold in order to supplement any small amount of cash handed to Martinez.

I understand what you are saying but my reading of the club's finances is that the club does not have to sell to buy unless the Board has decided to significantly reduce/ completely eradicate the Vibrac loan in financial year 2015/16.

As I said in an earlier post the transfer budget will be determined by the Board's view of what the net debt position ahould look like.

Ironically the club is in a better position to borrow than it has for many a year. However the Board may be focusing on other priorities for future debt such as stadium plans.

I will go back to my oft stated comment that all this would be resolved with an injection of capital either from existing shareholders, new shareholders or a complete sale of the club.
 
I understand what you are saying but my reading of the club's finances is that the club does not have to sell to buy unless the Board has decided to significantly reduce/ completely eradicate the Vibrac loan in financial year 2015/16.

As I said in an earlier post the transfer budget will be determined by the Board's view of what the net debt position ahould look like.

Ironically the club is in a better position to borrow than it has for many a year. However the Board may be focusing on other priorities for future debt such as stadium plans.

I will go back to my oft stated comment that all this would be resolved with an injection of capital either from existing shareholders, new shareholders or a complete sale of the club.

Aye, John Stones though.


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Just out of interest. How convinced are you that Stones will be sold this window Dave ?

80,
90,
100%

I'm at about 25% by the way. I think if a big offer comes in, then we'll sell. By big, I mean 40 million or so. But I don't think we'll get such an offer.

Stick a number on it.

I'm 100% convinced that he will be sold if the club's valuation is met. I'm also 100% convinced that he won't be sold if it isn't. This is basically up to whether or not Mourinho and Chelsea are prepared to stump up the required amount of cash, which I'd estimate as being £35m tops.

So I suppose the answer to your question is 50%.
 
Some escalation in the war of words
http://www.theguardian.com/football...-john-stones-roberto-martinez-everton-chelsea
Roberto Martínez has accused John Terry of involvement in a Chelsea campaign to tap up John Stones and insisted Everton are under no financial pressure to sell a player with “the potential to be the best centre-half England has produced”.

Everton have rejected bids of £20m and £26m for their 21-year-old defender from the Premier League champions this summer and informed Chelsea in writing that Stones is not for sale. That has not prevented José Mourinho, Gary Cahill and Terry from publicly discussing Chelsea’s pursuit of the England international, in breach of Premier League guidelines, and their captain returned to the subject on Wednesday when he said: “One day I won’t be in the team but Chelsea are looking to the likes of John Stones for the future, so the club will continue to grow and do well.”

Martínez claimed that Terry was guilty of an illegal approach to the Barnsley-born defender, although Everton have not added substance to their manager’s view by reporting Chelsea to the Premier League. “That is wrong; that is illegal,” said the Evertonmanager on Terry’s comment. “The rules don’t allow you to comment on players who are registered at other clubs in that open manner. That is disappointing.”

The Everton manager reiterated that Stones was not for sale but with the caveat: “I am not stupid enough to say I know what will happen.” He also evaded several questions on whether Stones has expressed an interest in joining Chelsea.

“We haven’t been in that situation,” said Martínez. “The whole John Stones situation has come through the media because a club made a bid and made it public. We have never been in a situation of commenting. We have a very talented young player who really has the potential to be the best centre-half England has produced, so you are going to get that attraction. That is natural, healthy and very, very positive. But a player can make a decision when the clubs say he can make a decision. There is nothing to make a decision on. There is no negotiation. There is no relationship between the clubs in terms of trying to find a deal.”

He added: “The modern game has gone in such a way that sometimes there are things you cannot control. But what you can control is your own finances and we are not a football club that has to sell to balance the books. If you think we need to sell John Stones to balance the books, that is not the case. As a club we are brave enough to give young players a big role and we know we will have to go through situations where these players might get interest from elsewhere. But as long as we can control our finances that is not a problem.”

Everton have spent only £4.2m on one transfer fee this summer, for Gerard Deulofeu, with Tom Cleverley arriving on a free. Martínez wants to sign a central defender, striker and No10 before 1 September. He insists those targets are not dependent on Stones leaving and may arrive late in the window, with clubs’ involvement in European qualifiers one possible factor in delaying business.
 
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Some escalation in the war of words
http://www.theguardian.com/football...-john-stones-roberto-martinez-everton-chelsea
Roberto Martínez has accused John Terry of involvement in a Chelsea campaign to tap up John Stones and insisted Everton are under no financial pressure to sell a player with “the potential to be the best centre-half England has produced”.

Everton have rejected bids of £20m and £26m for their 21-year-old defender from the Premier League champions this summer and informed Chelsea in writing that Stones is not for sale. That has not prevented José Mourinho, Gary Cahill and Terry from publicly discussing Chelsea’s pursuit of the England international, in breach of Premier League guidelines, and their captain returned to the subject on Wednesday when he said: “One day I won’t be in the team but Chelsea are looking to the likes of John Stones for the future, so the club will continue to grow and do well.”

Martínez claimed that Terry was guilty of an illegal approach to the Barnsley-born defender, although Everton have not added substance to their manager’s view by reporting Chelsea to the Premier League. “That is wrong; that is illegal,” said the Evertonmanager on Terry’s comment. “The rules don’t allow you to comment on players who are registered at other clubs in that open manner. That is disappointing.”

The Everton manager reiterated that Stones was not for sale but with the caveat: “I am not stupid enough to say I know what will happen.” He also evaded several questions on whether Stones has expressed an interest in joining Chelsea.

“We haven’t been in that situation,” said Martínez. “The whole John Stones situation has come through the media because a club made a bid and made it public. We have never been in a situation of commenting. We have a very talented young player who really has the potential to be the best centre-half England has produced, so you are going to get that attraction. That is natural, healthy and very, very positive. But a player can make a decision when the clubs say he can make a decision. There is nothing to make a decision on. There is no negotiation. There is no relationship between the clubs in terms of trying to find a deal.”

He added: “The modern game has gone in such a way that sometimes there are things you cannot control. But what you can control is your own finances and we are not a football club that has to sell to balance the books. If you think we need to sell John Stones to balance the books, that is not the case. As a club we are brave enough to give young players a big role and we know we will have to go through situations where these players might get interest from elsewhere. But as long as we can control our finances that is not a problem.”

That is not promising.
 
Love how you dont highlight the bit where it says there is no negotiation and no deal on the table.
Or the bit where a player doesnt have a decision to make.

If the board sell Stones after this I think they would risk losing the manager.

As a manager who is absolutely NOT selling Stones. Would you say Im not stupid enough to say i know what will happen? Nope. If anything that one quote to me says it will come down to the board, not him.

Youd say something along lines of "going nowhere. I guarantee it" The player's head is turned, it usually goes one way.
 
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