Jo : we do have an option to buy !

[chicoazul]

We are fine in a 4-4-2 if Neville and Arteta are in there.

Jo's scored three in five and won a penalty, not a bad start at all. Hopefully he scores more and develops the more he plays. It'll only help Everton, even if he doesn't stay here.

I like his attitude, he plays with a smile on his face.

Que? How do you know, we've not played with just them two in the middle but, despite all evidence to the contrary, youre prepared to let it slip if it means accommodation Jo.

Disappointed in you Toccy, your bias for some players lets the side down.

We would be comfortable with two at the back if Baines is there"

 

[Goat]

I agree with his point about 4-4-2 with Pip and Mikel tho. Good point well made I feel. Although they both seem to play very deep and it would mean we would have to play a 2nd striker, like Cahill or Fellaini, rather than 2 out and out strikers, such as Yak, Jo, Saha.

But i doubt very, very much if Jo will be here next season. Unless we have a huge amount of money to spend, which i doubt, then any players we buy/beg/steal would have to be of the midfield shade.

 

[chicoazul]

He's not doing enough.

Like sitting down in the penalty area when were on the attack for a vital goal.

 

[chicoazul]

I like his attitude, he plays with a smile on his face.

I'D SMILE LIKE F-UCK IF I WAS ON TENS OF THOUSANDS A WEEK TOO.

Sign me Moyes, Toccy's gonna have my poster on his wall.

 

[ToxtethBlue]

Que? How do you know, we've not played with just them two in the middle but, despite all evidence to the contrary, youre prepared to let it slip if it means accommodation Jo.

Disappointed in you Toccy, your bias for some players lets the side down.

We would be comfortable with two at the back if Baines is there"

During many games Fellaini pushed right up alongside Cahill and Neville and Arteta where playing centre midfield on there own. Especially when where on the front foot, it was basically 4-4-2.

Obviously it's an interchangable formation but I have no doubts Neville and Arteta can play effectively in a 4-4-2, no doubts whatsoever. I've seen them do it.

I guess it's a case of you either see it or you don't, I thought someone of your sheer intelligence would see something like that.

Bias? If it was up to me our 4-4-2 formation would have Saha and Yakubu leading the line. Jo would be a decent option though and if Moyes wants him I think we'd be able to do it no problem.

 

[chicoazul]

At times in the game we would only have three at the back if one of the full backs pushed on, or three up front when the midfield support the attack.

Dont give me that crap.

Fellaini drops back into the play in midfield a lot when he plays there, as does Cahill. They compact up when under pressure from the opposition which makes the 4-5-1 more effective.

Stop making things up to suit your wrongful assertions.

During many games Fellaini pushed right up alongside Cahill and Neville and Arteta where playing centre midfield on there own. Especially when where on the front foot, it was basically 4-4-2.

Obviously it's an interchangable formation but I have no doubts Neville and Arteta can play effectively in a 4-4-2, no doubts whatsoever. I've seen them do it.

I guess it's a case of you either see it or you don't, I thought someone of your sheer intelligence would see something like that.

Bias? If it was up to me our 4-4-2 formation would have Saha and Yakubu leading the line. Jo would be a decent option though and if Moyes wants him I think we'd be able to do it no problem.

 

[ToxtethBlue]

I'D SMILE LIKE F-UCK IF I WAS ON TENS OF THOUSANDS A WEEK TOO.

Sign me Moyes, Toccy's gonna have my poster on his wall.

Your bitterness towards the Portuguese speaking players is there for everyone to see mate, it's disgusting.

 

[little curly alan ball]

Saha and Vaughan are injury prone, Victor is only effective on the wing and Yakubu's future must be in doubt with such a serious injury. That leaves us with Cahill and Fellaini who are also covering for midfield which is light on numbers.

The Jury is still out on Jo but we definitely need to look at a reliable striker, someone who is likely to stay fit and always give us an option. We'll see what happens.

He may be available . We may need a forward , but it wont be him . Even at a quarter of the quoted price , hes overrated . Give him half a season as a full player , hed be Beattie all over again . Doesnt influence a game enough . Loks good winning 2-0 , but not s great when we're 1-0 down . I cant have him .

 

[chicoazul]

Your bitterness towards the Portuguese speaking players is there for everyone to see mate, it's disgusting.

I'd braid my hair and so loads of step overs.

You'd fall in love with me.

 

[chicoazul]

He may be available . We may need a forward , but it wont be him . Even at a quarter of the quoted price , hes overrated . Give him half a season as a full player , hed be Beattie all over again . Doesnt influence a game enough . Loks good winning 2-0 , but not s great when we're 1-0 down . I cant have him .

Exactly. Thats what I said, goes missing when the heats on or against the better teams.

Send him back.

 

[Goat]

Fellaini strolls* back into the play in midfield a lot when he plays there, as does Cahill.

Fixed it.

 

[Neiler]

He looks like Ronaldhino, sign him up.

 

[ToxtethBlue]

At times in the game we would only have three at the back if one of the full backs pushed on, or three up front when the midfield support the attack.

Dont give me that crap.

Fellaini drops back into the play in midfield a lot when he plays there, as does Cahill. They compact up when under pressure from the opposition which makes the 4-5-1 more effective.

Stop making things up to suit your wrongful assertions.

Saha drops deep, is he an attacking midfielder? Yakubu drifts out left all the time, is he a left winger? No, he's not.

Strikers don't just stand on the spot, they move about and you'll usually have one who plays slightly deeper (Van Persie, Rooney, Gerrard) and one who plays slightly further forward (Torres, Berbatov, Adebayor).

When the midfield or defence have the ball Fellaini is usually in the box or right up against the two centre backs. Look at his goal against Stoke, where he is standing is the position he usually takes up. When Yobo, Jagielka or Lescott has the ball Fellaini goes up for headers and is usually as far forward as Cahill. He is a target man in that position or as you said a battering ram.

It only becomes 4-5-1 if we are really on the back foot and we need to pack the midfield. That very rarely happens, most of the time it’s a 4-4-1-1 or a 4-4-2. It still doesn’t get away from the fact that Neville and Arteta are playing in a four man midfield with two forward players ahead of them.

If we play 4-5-1 then so do most team in the country and no midfielders are capable of playing in a 4-4-2.

 

[ToxtethBlue]

He may be available . We may need a forward , but it wont be him . Even at a quarter of the quoted price , hes overrated . Give him half a season as a full player , hed be Beattie all over again . Doesnt influence a game enough . Loks good winning 2-0 , but not s great when we're 1-0 down . I cant have him .

That's fair enough, if your not convinced your not convinced. I'm not convinced myself yet but I've only seen him play five times so I'm willing to give him until the end of the season and judge then.

In those five games we've played well twice and he's scored three and set up one, in the rest he's had shocking service. We saw how bad a quality striker like Yakubu looked after the service that was served up at the start of the season, a bit of realism is needed.

 

[chicoazul]

Saha drops deep, is he an attacking midfielder? Yakubu drifts out left all the time, is he a left winger? No, he's not.

Strikers don't just stand on the spot, they move about and you'll usually have one who plays slightly deeper (Van Persie, Rooney, Gerrard) and one who plays slightly further forward (Torres, Berbatov, Adebayor).

When the midfield or defence have the ball Fellaini is usually in the box or right up against the two centre backs. Look at his goal against Stoke, where he is standing is the position he usually takes up. When Yobo, Jagielka or Lescott has the ball Fellaini goes up for headers and is usually as far forward as Cahill. He is a target man in that position or as you said a battering ram.

It only becomes 4-5-1 if we are really on the back foot and we need to pack the midfield. That very rarely happens, most of the time it’s a 4-4-1-1 or a 4-4-2. It still doesn’t get away from the fact that Neville and Arteta are playing in a four man midfield with two forward players ahead of them.

If we play 4-5-1 then so do most team in the country and no midfielders are capable of playing in a 4-4-2.

You're flapping. Read the last couple of posts.

By your own admission the players move but in the 4-5-1 the attacking midfielder's primary position is midfield. Thats why he's a midfielder and not a striker in that position.

Thats also why most of his play is in midfield, albeit not as defensive as say Neville. When he can he supports the sole attacker.

Both Fellaini and Cahill play this role naturally. If we swapped either of them for Jo or Saha then there putting a natural striker in there and it would end up 4-4-2 like you said.

Whats been shown time after time for the last few seasons is that were far better in 4-5-1 and I wish people would realise this and get comfortable with it, we play better football and score more goals in this system and we win.

You, trying desperately, to find any way to accommodate your chosen players would drop this system for it which shows how tained your view really is.