Current Affairs Israel is an apartheid state

[Tipp blue]

So you're saying that this makes the following ok?

As of 13 May 2024, the U.N. has reported that the 35,000 who have died in the conflict includes 7,797 minors, 4,959 women and 1,924 elderly with confirmed identities.

Over just 19 days, from October 7 to 25, at least 7,028 people - including 2,913 children - have been killed in Israeli attacks on Gaza, according to the Palestinian Ministry of Health.

Women, children and the elderly make up 73 percent of those killed by Israeli bombardments in Gaza.

Among the victims are:
133 babies below the age of one
482 toddlers (1-3 years old)
344 preschoolers (4-5 years old)
1,042 primary school children (6-12 years old)
664 high school children (13-17 years old)
966 young adults (18-25 years old)
2,506 adults (26-55 years old)
521 Naksa survivors (56-74 years old)
89 Nakba survivors (75+ years old)

Nope.. I'm saying it would be much less if Hamas weren't stopping civilians evacuating.

 

[efcste97]

Necessary sacrifices and beneficial according to your buddies in Hamas...on one hand it's beneficial on the other it's genocide.. make up your mind lads is it good or bad...

Hamas Leader Yahya Sinwar Depicts Palestinian Casualties As ‘Necessary Sacrifices’

Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar, who masterminded Hamas’s October 7 atrocities, portrayed the deaths of Palestinian civilians as a welcome sacrifice in his personal correspondence, The...

www.fdd.org

Israel's total casualty count stands at 1,410, with 1,139 lives lost in the October 7 attacks alone. The events of October 7th were war crimes of immense scale, and at that time, Israel had every right to defend itself.
Where our opinions differ is that I believe the scale and prolongment of the bombings in Gaza is wrong. Too many people have died, many of them children. Some Israelis and others justify this by claiming that "there are no civilians" in Gaza, with the disturbing mindset that one dead baby is one less potential Hamas member. I believe that's their perspective.

Please don't make assumptions, they're not my buddies, says a lot about you that anyone who dares call out Israel is automatically 'buddies' with Hamas.

If you think this situation is solely about Israel defending itself then you're mistaken. Like every war it's about land.

Why is Bibi desperate to annex the west bank?

Why in Jan 2024, did Israeli ministers attend conference calling for ‘voluntary migration’ of Palestinians?

Why did cabinet members Ben-Gvir and Smotrich call for the re-establishment of Jewish settlements in Gaza and the north of the West Bank?

Why did a Isreali Ministers call for Isreal to expand into Lebanon because it's 'not a Country'?

 

[Moomin]

Thinking about it now if we could redo the 80's and early 90's I'm all for Britain carpet bombing Dublin.

We have a right to defend ourselves and we will have a better peace once we kill the IRA.

 

[Ferguson1878]

Thinking about it now if we could redo the 80's and early 90's I'm all for Britain carpet bombing Dublin.

We have a right to defend ourselves and we will have a better peace once we kill the IRA.

So no more mrs browns boys ?

 

[Moomin]

So no more mrs browns boys ?

Wouldn't have existed.

We would have napalmed that street.

 

[trueblue84]

Thinking about it now if we could redo the 80's and early 90's I'm all for Britain carpet bombing Dublin.

We have a right to defend ourselves and we will have a better peace once we kill the IRA.

Those kids would've only grown up to be terrorists anyway. That seems to be the justification.

 

[Prevenger17]

Nope.. I'm saying it would be much less if Hamas weren't stopping civilians evacuating.

Tipp, I previously had you down as a vaguely eccentric culchie with odd ideas about the environment. But you've gone the way of Corky and become a deranged idiot

I'm going to lay this out for you before I sadly have to put you on ignore.

• Nobody supports Hamas on this forum.
• Everyone supports Israel's right to exist on this forum
• Everyone supports Israel's right to defend itself on this forum
• The main point of debate is that most right minded people don't view carpet bombing cities, invading countries and murdering tens of thousands of kids as self-defence

This is such a slam dunk of an ethical stance, it would really take a complete f***ing moron to fumble it as you and some others have. Furthermore:

• The end result of this won't be less extremism. The mothers, fathers, sons, daughters, cousins and friends of the tens of thousands of men, women and children indiscriminately maimed and murdered will not view Israel as liberators. A simpleton could see this
• The vast majority of the people killed by the IDF have not been Hamas.
• The answer to Hamas using children as human shields isn't to shoot through children.

Again, this is simple stuff.

Anyway, you're a gobshite. And as with all gobshites, you must go on ignore. I hope you are able to give your head a wobble at some point and I will miss our banter in the environmental thread. Au revoir

 

[Moomin]

Those kids would've only grown up to be terrorists anyway. That seems to be the justification.

We could also get the folks from Birkenhead to relocate to the west coast of Ireland.

Just let them kick the terrorists out of their homes.

 

[efcste97]

Those kids would've only grown up to be terrorists anyway. That seems to be the justification.

This logic highlights that they understand their actions will likely fuel the rise of more Hamas members, that's why some view each death as removing a future threat or terrorist.

They look at Palestinians as a lower class, Israelis in settlements follow Israeli civil law, while Palestinians in the same areas are subject to Israeli military law, leading to disparities in rights, freedom of movement, and access to resources. Those in Gaza are looked upon as a even lower form of being, even pre Oct 7th they're animals in some Israeli eyes

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

Let's ask Hamas what they think of your post... like I've said this ends with Hamas.

Hamas leader believes civilian deaths are ‘necessary sacrifices’ in Israeli war, leaked letters show

Yahya Sinwar appears to be stalling ceasefire talks and using Palestinian fatalities to his advantage

www.telegraph.co.uk

Hamas primarily exist cos of Israel, mate. Israel are the problem here

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

Thinking about it now if we could redo the 80's and early 90's I'm all for Britain carpet bombing Dublin.

We have a right to defend ourselves and we will have a better peace once we kill the IRA.

Exactly

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

Nope.. I'm saying it would be much less if Hamas weren't stopping civilians evacuating.

There is no Hamas in the West Bank so why are Israel attacking people there??

 

[Taifi gorm]

Thinking about it now if we could redo the 80's and early 90's I'm all for Britain carpet bombing Dublin.

We have a right to defend ourselves and we will have a better peace once we kill the IRA.

Pity you didn't. Ireland be a better place without the South Dublin lot.

 

[efcste97]

There is no Hamas in the West Bank so why are Israel attacking people there??

Even people who are strongly pro-Israel struggle to defend the situation in the West Bank due to the realities of the occupation. The settlements, land seizures, and restrictions imposed on Palestinians make it a difficult position to justify. Far-right Israelis of course will try to justify it

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

Even people who are strongly pro-Israel struggle to defend the situation in the West Bank due to the realities of the occupation. The settlements, land seizures, and restrictions imposed on Palestinians make it a difficult position to justify. Far-right Israelis of course will try to justify it

It is literally indefensible - looking forward to @Tipp blue sharing his 'wisdom'