Current Affairs Israel is an apartheid state

[davek]

Israeli SS targetting UN peacekeeping force now.

 

[Taifi gorm]

Not authentic enough. Whilst Seattle, Paris et al would be sombre the beach resorts of the Gazan coast and Tel Aviv would be bouncing.

 

[efcste97]

I apologize for being such a standoffish prick.
I'm projecting my own bad personal experiences on you all which is not fair.
In truth, you all might well be very decent people who are also just mentally stronger than I am. I really do not have the mental bandwith to concern myself with these issues and be mentally well at the same time. I really hope this does not make me a psychopath as one of you implied.
It was a poor, regrettable decision to come at you like this and I sincerely apologize.

Calling people "nutters" for caring about tens of thousands of deaths and millions more displaced is really not it, doubling down and then apologising is essentially gaslighting.

People with this much (publically displayed) empathy for people this far away are in my experience often people with very little empathy for those actually within their lives.

Your previous post was literally this


It says a lot about your mindset, to be honest. If you genuinely didn't care, you wouldn't have jumped into this thread in the first place. It just comes across as attention-seeking.

 

[malacker94]

Calling people "nutters" for caring about tens of thousands of deaths and millions more displaced is really not it, doubling down and then apologising is essentially gaslighting.

Your previous post was literally this


It says a lot about your mindset, to be honest. If you genuinely didn't care, you wouldn't have jumped into this thread in the first place. It just comes across as attention-seeking.

Fair enough, maybe that's what it is.

 

[tsubaki]

Israeli SS targetting UN peacekeeping force now.

After many Western leaders, including Keith, said it was unacceptable (as did nearly everyone else).

I have my doubts but this should be what forces the UNSC into action - disgusting though it is, genocide is one thing but deliberately attacking forces there under a current Security Council resolution is something none of the permanent members can ignore.

 

[dublinbluenose]

After many Western leaders, including Keith, said it was unacceptable (as did nearly everyone else).

I have my doubts but this should be what forces the UNSC into action - disgusting though it is, genocide is one thing but deliberately attacking forces there under a current Security Council resolution is something none of the permanent members can ignore.

They have done in the past

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

After many Western leaders, including Keith, said it was unacceptable (as did nearly everyone else).

I have my doubts but this should be what forces the UNSC into action - disgusting though it is, genocide is one thing but deliberately attacking forces there under a current Security Council resolution is something none of the permanent members can ignore.

They’ve been targeting UNIFIL for years. 47 dead Irish UN to-date.

It’s the UN as well that need looking at - sending a small under-equipped force into a potential flash-point like Southern Lebanon

They need to pull them out now before more are killed and then re-think the deployment. (Large UN force, well equipped under military control and with a clear mandate).

 

[tsubaki]

They’ve been targeting UNIFIL for years. 47 dead Irish UN to-date.

It’s the UN as well that need looking at - sending a small under-equipped force into a potential flash-point like Southern Lebanon

They need to pull them out now before more are killed and then re-think the deployment. (Large UN force, well equipped under military control and with a clear mandate).

They (the IDF) were only directly responsible for a very small number of Irish dead, and the vast majority of UNFIL casualties at the hands of Israeli forces have been in the main attributable to "mistakes" (Qana being at the extreme end of plausibility). I agree the force is under-equipped (it is by design) but it would not have been authorised if it was capable of repelling an Israeli attack.

These attacks are different - its clearly deliberate targeting of UN forces in an attempt to get rid of them by a state that most of the world accepts is carrying out a genocide in open violation of a UN SC resolution.

 

[davek]

After many Western leaders, including Keith, said it was unacceptable (as did nearly everyone else).

I have my doubts but this should be what forces the UNSC into action - disgusting though it is, genocide is one thing but deliberately attacking forces there under a current Security Council resolution is something none of the permanent members can ignore.

They're a pariah state like Nazi Germany and Apartheid South Africa.

Something has to change with this lot. I dont know what, but Israel as it's now set up has to be dismantled. A separate Palestinian state protected by an international force has to be established. That would destabilise the Israeli apartheid state for sure.

 

[d34noj]

Owen Jones on the money

“
Israel’s genocidal mayhem has given me a hideous understanding into the great horrors of the past.

How could so many people who regard themselves as decent, humane, ‘moderate’ become complicit in unspeakable atrocities? It’s something I’ve always wondered.

After all, only a tiny proportion of any society are actually sociopaths.

Well, this great crime of our age offers the answers.

The British media and political elites are full of people who aren’t even pretending.

Their worldview is clear. Israelis are “us”. Palestinians are “them”.

Accordingly, every Israeli life has meaning and value - it is inherently precious.

A Palestinian life is worth virtually nothing. It is less than cheap. A bag of rats drowned in a lake is likely to elicit more sympathy.

Violence against a single Israeli life - “us” - is therefore seen as intolerable and unbearable.

Endless violence against countless Palestinians, on the other hand, doesn’t even produce a genuine emotional response.

We’ve seen this tested to destruction.

It doesn’t matter what the atrocity is.

Newborns cooked alive in rubble, or left to suffocate and rot in bombed hospitals.

6 year olds shot in the head by snipers.

Terrified children deliberately blown apart in their families’ cars by tanks, the paramedics sent to save them butchered, too.

Entire family bloodlines exterminated in moments.

Detainees gang raped. Bodies thrown from roofs. Civilians riddled with bullets while trying to get food.

The worst imaginable atrocities committed over and over again, but because the victims are Palestinian, no outrage or horror or anguished demands that this must stop, whatever it takes.

There is, at best, empty handwringing and platitudes, while our government continues to arm the perpetrators.

But when an attack is launched against Israel in which not a single Israeli is killed, then there is wall to wall horror, disgust, outrage from our political and media elites.

So if you’re wondering how so many who regarded themselves as decent, modest, upstanding, morally sophisticated citizens actively made themselves complicit in all the horrors of the past you read about in books - well, now you know.

What mattered to them was who was “us” and who was “them”.

I used to passionately disagree with these elites - I work, after all, in the British media, and have now for 13 years: even hold them in contempt. But it took this genocide to make me realise:

I don’t live in the same moral universe as these people. They now disgust me: I am repulsed by them. It is what it is: my job is to be honest about my opinions, and I could pretend this isn’t how I feel, but for what moral reason?

I’m not telling you because it’s cathartic, even though it is. It’s because what I feel is felt by many others, and that matters - a lot.

Millions of people in every country, on every continent, are feeling this, and it gets stronger with every passing day,

The consequences will be felt for many, many generations”

Stopped reading at 'Owen Jones'

 

[Rita_Poon]

Stopped reading at 'Owen Jones'

why ever might that be. :/

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

They (the IDF) were only directly responsible for a very small number of Irish dead, and the vast majority of UNFIL casualties at the hands of Israeli forces have been in the main attributable to "mistakes" (Qana being at the extreme end of plausibility). I agree the force is under-equipped (it is by design) but it would not have been authorised if it was capable of repelling an Israeli attack.

These attacks are different - its clearly deliberate targeting of UN forces in an attempt to get rid of them by a state that most of the world accepts is carrying out a genocide in open violation of a UN SC resolution.

The IDF have deliberately killed at least 20 Irish UN soldiers over the years and I don’t by the “killed by mistake” argument. The remainder can be attributable to accidents and deaths at the hand of the South Lebanese army, Hezbollah and various other militias.

This latest attack is no different to what’s gone before. Israel Deliberately targeting UN troops.

It’s not a question of repelling the Israelis more a question of operating under a military leadership structure with a clear mandate. UNIFIL ops are controlled by civilian UN control. They need the ability and ROE to be able to properly defend themselves if attacked. I’m not surprised though that the UN still hasn’t learnt their lessons. Things never change in that org.

As per 1RWF in Gorazde during the Balkans war. The CO found his men under attack by a brigade sized Serb force and when he got on the blower for UN authorisation to use direct force he was told to contact an official at the UN in New York (who was still asleep at the time)! Luckily he had the balls to tell his men to remove their blue berets and fight as British soldiers.

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

Stopped reading at 'Owen Jones'

What part of what he wrote did you get upset about?

 

[d34noj]

What part of what he wrote did you get upset about?

As I say, I stopped reading at 'Owen Jones'.

I listen to absolutely nothing that virtue signalling wet wipe has to say about any subject.

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

As I say, I stopped reading at 'Owen Jones'.

I listen to absolutely nothing that virtue signalling wet wipe has to say about any subject.

That’s cool! I’d be interested if you could actually find the strength to read the post and comment.

Sometimes the content is bigger than the preacher