Current Affairs Israel is an apartheid state

[Zatara]

The Israelis started the killing of innocents in 1948 with numerous massacres.
By your own logic, should retaliation be in excess of that? It hasn't been btw. Continually more killings by Israel than all those groups combined

Nope, at that time they retaliated.

 

[Bishop Thumpety-Thump]

Hahahahahahahaha

Which part of the murder of innocent children makes you laugh?

You racist little sex pest.

 

[davek]

What bothers me most is that somehow the world has allowed fascism to flourish in the place given to mass victims of fascism.
It was always going to happen if they were armed to the teeth before reconciling with their collective PTSD.
It doesn't help that the people displaced to grant them this safe haven were never consulted nor considered.
Israelis have elected a fascist regime, armed and facilitated by Western nations. It's heart breaking and depressing. History most definitely rhymes.
Thing is the nations that stopped WWII's fascists are facilitating these fascists. So who will stop them? Smh

 

[magicjuan]

We as human beings should have the moral authority to question and criticise everything. I’m speaking for myself here I’m not a mouthpiece of my government or western democracy.

Of course. But 'we' as a collective lost credibility when we acquiesced to the killing of children and furthered the system for profits.
'We' as individuals were splintered by Thatcherism, Reaganism and Friedmanomics from being a collective and a society, to every man for himself
As Weller said 'sod the rest is the new dissention'.

 

[PhilM]

Raises the question again about how Hamas managed to execute Oct 7th.

It certainly does.

I remember reading at the time that they were aware of some form of threat brewing, but perhaps the severity was either not recognised or played down.

It wouldn't be the first time when an intelligence agency had ample evidence to formulate a view that an attack is coming, yet the full picture is misconstrued.

However, the cynic in me does sometimes question how the attack nearly a year ago has given Netanyahu and his cronies carte blanche to deal with Hamas et al.

Under Netanyahu Israel has gone rogue, wether the West 'knew' this, wanted this or are sitting by seeing how they can benefit from this, is not important. What is important is that the UK is now seen as complicit in both Israel's actions and those of the Ukraine.
We are seeing the decimation of a people, a holocaust, that 'we' as a nation are funding, fuelling and supporting.

And this lead onto this part. The response has been extreme, and I suspect it's only been allowed due to the events last year.

I think historians will ask in the future whether the 7th October was a good or a bad thing for Israel's territorial ambitions.

 

[Hackbread]

An estimated 75% of permanent cropland in Gaza has been destroyed with intent since October 7th.

How can this be viewed through the lense of retaliation and protecting Israeli security?

It's ecocide and the deliberate attempt to starve a civilian population

 

[tsubaki]

I agree that Hamas and Hez wouldn’t exist if it wasn’t for Israel but we must be mindful not to tolerate their actions no matter what their reason for creation.

Syrias actions during their civil war had nothing to do with Israel. The evil unleashed on its own population cannot be attributed to the existence of the state of Israel.

As for Saudi and Turkey, an ever changing world is no justification for the torture, murder and subjugation of ethnic minorities or political opponents within their own sovereign territories.

I meant Syria being ruled by the Ba'athists probably wouldn't have happened if the state of Israel hadn’t been established.

What bothers me most is that somehow the world has allowed fascism to flourish in the place given to mass victims of fascism.
It was always going to happen if they were armed to the teeth before reconciling with their collective PTSD.
It doesn't help that the people displaced to grant them this safe haven were never consulted nor considered.
Israelis have elected a fascist regime, armed and facilitated by Western nations. It's heart breaking and depressing. History most definitely rhymes.
Thing is the nations that stopped WWII's fascists are facilitating these fascists. So who will stop them? Smh

TBH I think saying that the Holocaust experience somehow created this strife does tend to obscure the fact that what happened was planned long before the Holocaust (Herzl was talking about before the turn of the century) and they were killing people for opposing it as well (such as de Haan in the 20s).

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

Many Iranians will be thrilled with the death of Nasrallah. The flag burning is to a certain degree the regime and their cronies PR.

It seems the celebrations at his death are not limited to Iran.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/pockets-of-revelry-at-nasrallah-killing-across-middle-east-including-in-syria-iran/

 

[Toffeepot]

I meant Syria being ruled by the Ba'athists probably wouldn't have happened if the state of Israel hadn’t been established.



TBH I think saying that the Holocaust experience somehow created this strife does tend to obscure the fact that what happened was planned long before the Holocaust (Herzl was talking about before the turn of the century) and they were killing people for opposing it as well (such as de Haan in the 20s).

That's a very fair point. It is reasonable to claim the holocaust accelerated it though as it did the UDHR and led to a great number of nations co-signing on both.

 

[davek]

 

[PhilM]

Now it’s Yemen’s turn. They’re throwing punches at everyone at the moment.

 

[GoldenToffee]

Aren't Hezbollah the Houthis and Iran in general supposed to be capable of inflicting some kind of damage to Israel? They're all having their pants pulled down in embarrassing fashion here. I keep heading that Israel is going to pay a heavy price for their latest actions, but it appears to all just be empty threats - and seems Israel knows as much.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

Now it’s Yemen’s turn. They’re throwing punches at everyone at the moment.

They are going to unpick Irans Axis of Resistance, that seems clear enough.

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

Now it’s Yemen’s turn. They’re throwing punches at everyone at the moment.

Anyone who objected to the genocide is fair game apparently

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

Now it’s Yemen’s turn. They’re throwing punches at everyone at the moment.

Looks like the Israelis have sorted their air-air refuelling deficiencies.