Current Affairs Israel is an apartheid state

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Agreed and I do hold Netanyahu and the Israeli govt to account for the horrors inflicted on the Palestinian people.

But you have to flip it and also look at Hez and Hamas and also hold them to account for their antics as well.

If you take a brief look at the ME

1. Israel - Bad guys
2. Hez - Bad guys
3. Hamas - Bad guys
4. Iran - Bad guys
5. Saudi - Bad guys
6. Syria - Bad guys
7. Turkey - Bad guys

There’s not many left in the region that you could define as sane and stable. The whole region is a mess.

Two of those sets of bad guys would not exist except for the antics of the bad guys at #1. I have a hard time believing that Syria would be ruled by the people it is if those at #1 had never existed, and as for Iran I think we would be in a much better place now if the neocons hadn't pumped that regime up with abundant and absolutely justified concerns about being targeted for regime change.

Finally with regards to Saudi and Turkey, both are having to deal with a world that is changing faster than they can keep up with (more so for Saudi than Turkey).
 
Iran lost some big hitters as a result of the strike on the Hezbollah rats nest in Beirut.

Brigadier General Abbas Nilforoushan, the Deputy Commander of Operations for the IRGC as well as the Acting Commander of Quds Force Operations in Syria and Lebanon

Be interesting to see how they’ll react.
Probably nothing as usual , all talk Iran burning flags is all their good for
 
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Two of those sets of bad guys would not exist except for the antics of the bad guys at #1. I have a hard time believing that Syria would be ruled by the people it is if those at #1 had never existed, and as for Iran I think we would be in a much better place now if the neocons hadn't pumped that regime up with abundant and absolutely justified concerns about being targeted for regime change.

Finally with regards to Saudi and Turkey, both are having to deal with a world that is changing faster than they can keep up with (more so for Saudi than Turkey).
I agree that Hamas and Hez wouldn’t exist if it wasn’t for Israel but we must be mindful not to tolerate their actions no matter what their reason for creation.

Syrias actions during their civil war had nothing to do with Israel. The evil unleashed on its own population cannot be attributed to the existence of the state of Israel.

As for Saudi and Turkey, an ever changing world is no justification for the torture, murder and subjugation of ethnic minorities or political opponents within their own sovereign territories.
 
It appears to me as though both of you feel the retaliation from Israel should be "proportionate" to the murder, rape and kidnap on Oct 7th.

Further to this, the displacement of tens of thousands of innocent civilians in Northern Israel with a number of deaths from thousands of rockets, including children. Any retaliation by Israel should be "proportionate".

No. "Proportionate" is absolute madness to me. "Proportionate" doesnt even enter the vocabulary of Hamas or Hezbollah.

Why should terror groups be able to murder, rape and kidnap innocents and Israel only be 'allowed' to retailiate 1 for 1?

How does that even work anyway? For every kidnapped Israeli Hamas always demands thousands in return.

Absolutely not. "Proportionate" for me means...you are allowing these awful instances to continue and the terror groups can throw lives away as if its nothing...they believe in martyring themselves.

Give them what they want...eradicate them.

Attack innocent Israelis and Israel will eradicate you and your terror group.

Thats how it should be in the UK, Europe and the planet. Kill evil people.
Regardless of your general ignorance, your complete disregard for human life is really the mark of you.
 
I agree that Hamas and Hez wouldn’t exist if it wasn’t for Israel but we must be mindful not to tolerate their actions no matter what their reason for creation.

Syrias actions during their civil war had nothing to do with Israel. The evil unleashed on its own population cannot be attributed to the existence of the state of Israel.

As for Saudi and Turkey, an ever changing world is no justification for the torture, murder and subjugation of ethnic minorities or political opponents within their own sovereign territories.
The west fuelled that too. There hasn't been actual conflict in the M.E. that hasn't had western involvement.
Start with the Mujahadin and bin Laden, CIA created and funded. And now similarly in Ukraine.
At one point in Syria we were arming the enemy of the side we were supporting but didn't used to support and now do again because the other side we armed got found out being armed by us...
This ever changing world is run by corporations, they control everything, everything. It has cultural differences. People here pull a face at Halal food because of slaughter methods. Yet we're happy to ignore slaughter methods more barbaric in the west.
We carry out subjugation of minorities and political opponents (see the smear campaign against Corbyn now public as false AS claims) and are de facto torturing pensioners and low income families for political fun.
We really have no moral authority whatsoever to criticise other countries, methods may be different but the outcomes are the same, it's always the weak and the poor who suffer.
 
The west fuelled that too. There hasn't been actual conflict in the M.E. that hasn't had western involvement.
Start with the Mujahadin and bin Laden, CIA created and funded. And now similarly in Ukraine.
At one point in Syria we were arming the enemy of the side we were supporting but didn't used to support and now do again because the other side we armed got found out being armed by us...
This ever changing world is run by corporations, they control everything, everything. It has cultural differences. People here pull a face at Halal food because of slaughter methods. Yet we're happy to ignore slaughter methods more barbaric in the west.
We carry out subjugation of minorities and political opponents (see the smear campaign against Corbyn now public as false AS claims) and are de facto torturing pensioners and low income families for political fun.
We really have no moral authority whatsoever to criticise other countries, methods may be different but the outcomes are the same, it's always the weak and the poor who suffer.
We as human beings should have the moral authority to question and criticise everything. I’m speaking for myself here I’m not a mouthpiece of my government or western democracy.
 

What bothers me most is that somehow the world has allowed fascism to flourish in the place given to mass victims of fascism.
It was always going to happen if they were armed to the teeth before reconciling with their collective PTSD.
It doesn't help that the people displaced to grant them this safe haven were never consulted nor considered.
Israelis have elected a fascist regime, armed and facilitated by Western nations. It's heart breaking and depressing. History most definitely rhymes.
Thing is the nations that stopped WWII's fascists are facilitating these fascists. So who will stop them? Smh
 
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