Current Affairs Israel is an apartheid state

[Blue 1]

Israel does not have a leader that accepts the right of a Palestinian State to exist, either. Just worth pointing out.

In fact, he's done more to thwart one ever coming into being that any other living person, and has far more blood on his hands than any Hamas leader, even prior to October 7th.

That's not any excuse for anything Hamas has done. The Palestinian cause would be better served without them, and the corrupt PA.

I would also point out in reference to an earlier post, too, that Ehud Barak did not enter the Camp David negotiations in good faith. He knew that what he was offering would not be acceptable to Arafat for several reasons, mainly around Jerusalem and the right of return, and his intention was always to walk away blaming Palestinian intransigence for the failure of the talks. And it worked.

 

[Blue 1]

Your next point regarding 'from the river to the sea'. You do realise this was the motto from the Israeli Likud Party? Who want a 'greater Isreal' from Lebanon to Iraq with no Palestine or Gaza?

Also worth noting Hamas was founded in 1987 and this has been going on since Likud and the IDF evolved from the original self described paramilitary terrorist gangs that were involved in palestinian massacres and the murder of British servicemen.

Likud has never to my knowledge argued for a "Greater Israel" encompassing Lebanon and Iraq. Their "Greater Israel" includes the West Bank and Gaza.

"From the River to the Sea" means the River Jordan to the Mediterranean, not the Euphrates to the Mediterranean.

Enemies of Israel have claimed that Israel wants all the land from the Nile to the Euphrates, based on a verse from Genesis, but there's no actual evidence for this. I think it was a claim made by Yasser Arafat based on the shape of an ancient coin or something. There's more, although still not much, evidence that some of the craziest among the National-Religious settlers would like to settle Jordan as well.

 

[SundayMondayMagayeGueye]

Likud has never to my knowledge argued for a "Greater Israel" encompassing Lebanon and Iraq. Their "Greater Israel" includes the West Bank and Gaza.

"From the River to the Sea" means the River Jordan to the Mediterranean, not the Euphrates to the Mediterranean.

Enemies of Israel have claimed that Israel wants all the land from the Nile to the Euphrates, based on a verse from Genesis, but there's no actual evidence for this. I think it was a claim made by Yasser Arafat based on the shape of an ancient coin or something. There's more, although still not much, evidence that some of the craziest among the National-Religious settlers would like to settle Jordan as well.

I hear you and understand but I believe there is a minority who do believe in further expansion...let's not forget the Golan Heights in Syria too...

 

[superblue123]

You are either in utter denial, incredibly stupid or complicit, my guess is the latter. You're a Mark Regev mouthpiece, spouting the same lies and fabrications in order to justify the murder of children.

You are no better than those who persecuted your own people.

Shame on you.

Another Nazi equivocation, well done. You have shown yourself to be incapable of responding in a legitimate debate without reverting to statements tinged with anti-semitism.

 

[SundayMondayMagayeGueye]

Interesting viewing from Israeli human rights organisation B'Tselem at UN security council...

 

[Ming the Merciful]

Another Nazi equivocation, well done. You have shown yourself to be incapable of responding in a legitimate debate without reverting to statements tinged with anti-semitism.

That antisemitism sctich gets old real fast to be honest.

To avoid Nazi equivocations they may consider not acting like Nazis, just a thought.

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

Another Nazi equivocation, well done. You have shown yourself to be incapable of responding in a legitimate debate without reverting to statements tinged with anti-semitism.

As I have said earlier in this thread - I have strong Jewish family connection. As I also said, his is not about race or religion but the treatment and now genocide of the Palestinians.

You are intentionally avoiding many posts, questions and truths about the genocide and clinging on desperately to lies and falsehoods - turning the other cheek.

As someone else just posted, the cheap use of the 'anti semitic' card really does not surprise me.

Have do hope you have a good weekend but do try and have a little period of reflection regarding the real situation.

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

@Zatara welcome back! I see you floating....

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

Interesting viewing from Israeli human rights organisation B'Tselem at UN security council...

@superblue123
@Cork Evertonian
@Zatara

In case you were still pretending...

 

[Wat Tyler]

 

[Rita_Poon]

This just hit channel 4 news. Shot in the head. israel excuse that a ring leader was throwing stones and shots had to be fired.

"I was just following orders" didn't fly in Nuremberg, when they catch up with netenyahu and his inner circle they all need the justice Nuremberg demanded.

 

[tsubaki]

I don't know what appalls me more - this murder of a girl trying to stop people being thrown off their land, the fact that the initial IDF statement will be proved within two or three days to be an absolute pack of lies, the fact that even the lie would be a war crime or the fact that the people responsible will face no justice for it whatsoever (unless they are Arab Israelis).

 

[Cork Evertonian]

That antisemitism sctich gets old real fast to be honest.

To avoid Nazi equivocations they may consider not acting like Nazis, just a thought.

Well when the mass slaughter of Israeli citizens is treated with apathy and indifference, particularly on here then what else is one supposed to think?

 

[Cork Evertonian]

Correct. But it is happening in tremendous numbers to Palestinians and shows no signs of letting up. Tens of thousands of kids are getting bombed to smithereens and you're sitting here trying to justify it. Bloodthirsty goon

What ironic words i think. Unfortunately in war there will be civilian casualties. That applies to both sides here as well.

Obviously wrongs could very well be happening on both sides, but terrorists are operating out of Gaza and the Israeli military has every right to root them out imo.

 

[tsubaki]

post 9838: civilian casualties should not be treated with apathy and indifference
post 9839: unfortunately in war there will be civilian casualties