Current Affairs Israel is an apartheid state

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Still can't get my head around it. We are dealing with the most evil people in history. The death toll is now 2% of Gaza's pre-war population.

Arms sales seems controversial on this forum at least in the Ukraine thread - in my mind the UK state is responsible for exacerbating this genocide politically, financially and materially. I hope history will judge all who supported this war with contempt.

From the river to the sea, Intifada until victory 🇵🇸
I don't think that's true. I've lived with and worked with Israelis, one of my best friends was with one for years, and for the most part I found them to be a warm and engaging people.

Netanyahu amd those around him are most certainly evil, though.

Israelis are a pretty brutalised lot, the Occupation has had a corrupting influence on them as well as the Palestinians. They believe they are under constant existential threat, that the world hates them, and many of them are only a generation of two away from being displaced peoples themselves. There are still Holocaust survivors among the Ashkenazim, and among the Mizrahim are those who were expelled from their homes in Arab countries after the State of Israel came into being. It's recent, raw history to them.

Palestinians mostly experience Israelis as soldiers taking their family members away and shooting at them, and Israelis mostly experience Palestinians via their army service, as scared teenagers. They dehumanise each other, and that leads to what is happening now, and what happened on October 7th, and all that went before.

I'm going to keep on saying it, the Occupation is the problem, above and beyond whoever leads either nation. It needs to end, and Palestinians must have justice and dignity and hope for a better life if there is ever to be peace.
 
I don't think that's true. I've lived with and worked with Israelis, one of my best friends was with one for years, and for the most part I found them to be a warm and engaging people.

Netanyahu amd those around him are most certainly evil, though.

Israelis are a pretty brutalised lot, the Occupation has had a corrupting influence on them as well as the Palestinians. They believe they are under constant existential threat, that the world hates them, and many of them are only a generation of two away from being displaced peoples themselves. There are still Holocaust survivors among the Ashkenazim, and among the Mizrahim are those who were expelled from their homes in Arab countries after the State of Israel came into being. It's recent, raw history to them.

Palestinians mostly experience Israelis as soldiers taking their family members away and shooting at them, and Israelis mostly experience Palestinians via their army service, as scared teenagers. They dehumanise each other, and that leads to what is happening now, and what happened on October 7th, and all that went before.

I'm going to keep on saying it, the Occupation is the problem, above and beyond whoever leads either nation. It needs to end, and Palestinians must have justice and dignity and hope for a better life if there is ever to be peace.
I said people as in Netanyahu and followers of Zionism a political ideology. Not people as in Israelis, there are people who disagree with the course of action their government is taking. Regarding the narrative that the world hates them, that narrative was heavily used to promote Netanyahu's Nation State Bill. In law that openly made Israel an ethno-state.
 
On a somewhat related note has anyone in here seen Lowkey live before? I love gigs in general and I love his pro Palestine music, just curious if anyone knows what his gigs are like.
 

Interesting point in the comments:

One question all independents and pro-Israel supporters shall ask is why the US provide military aids to Israel? Israel has higher GDP per capita than our allies (Germany, etc.) and IDF is the strongest military in the region? The US is also over $35 trillion in debts!!!

We know the answer it is just quite stark when put like that
 
Oh dear, allegations of israeli soldiers raping captive palastinian men on channel 4 right now. Pics and video from a whistleblower inside.

Very difficult not to be angry and disgusted at this stuff.

Why isn't the us consulate in the uk and Ireland being protested 24 hours a day?
Been spoken about for years. Remember their own cabinet kicked off, when they went to arrest some of their own over just that recently.
 
Oh dear, allegations of israeli soldiers raping captive palastinian men on channel 4 right now. Pics and video from a whistleblower inside.

Very difficult not to be angry and disgusted at this stuff.

Why isn't the us consulate in the uk and Ireland being protested 24 hours a day?
The US has an embassy in Dublin and one in London.
 
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