Current Affairs Israel is an apartheid state

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Toffeeslam said:
Sounds like these folks don’t want peace but have a thirst for land……they are the problem
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Islam a very bad disease....
Need to kick out the Arabs.....need to take the territories.....I would carpet bomb them....need to take out the families because they educate the children




But it's not genocide or ethnic cleansing, just poor little Israel defending itself.

These were all young Israelis....God help the Palestinians.
 
peteblue said:
Because Israel will not stop, even the Americans can’t stop it, and protests in the U.K. will do nothing. The only lever the Americans have over Israel is if the release of the hostages takes place thereby giving some form of breather to the hostilities…but hey, ask nothing of Hamas, carry on the protests, carry on the bombing and carry on the deaths…
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This isn't entirely accurate. It's not that we can't stop it. It's that we won't.

Suppose the United States did a full 180 due to domestic political pressure, and decided in conjunction with the rest of the world to make Israel a pariah state. They station ships in the Eastern Med with orders to sink anything that comes anywhere near Israel, declare a no-fly zone over the entirety of Israel and shoot down anything manmade that enters it, or attempts to lift off. They build a wall along the northern and southern borders of Israel, and infest the waters of the Jordan River with whatever horrors you choose to imagine, but leave a means for anyone who wishes to fight the good fight to enter the West Bank. Nothing else gets in, nothing gets out, not even the brass and lead the Israelis need to make bullets and cartridges. Meanwhile, the nations of the world supply unoccupied Gaza and Hezbollah with absolutely any armaments they want short of aircraft, naval vessels and nukes, as fast as they can make it.

The Israeli government could then accept pariah state status and proceed with a genocide out of what would now be the purest of self-defense, or come to terms. I think we can agree on how that ends. The Israeli people would decide that falling from Western prosperity down to North Korea, plus continuous bombardment once the Iron Dome runs out of missiles, isn't worth it. They would insist their government come to terms.

You might say, "Well, the Israelis have nukes," but they don't have enough. They can't deter the above with nuclear weapons any more than the North Korean nuclear proliferation caused the world to end their isolation. First use guarantees the obliteration of Tel Aviv; full use of their arsenal guarantees annihilation.

Now, what I described never happens because today's international community would never agree on something as simple as which country's diplomats' turn it is to order breakfast for the lot of them on someone else's nickel this morning (this is why we have the UN), but the isolation I described above is exactly what the Israeli government did to Gaza sixteen years ago. The differences are that the Israeli government didn't offer the Gazans an out, and that the Gazans don't have nukes. The Israeli government more or less told the Gazans they were in that situation from now until the end of recorded time, unless they defeated their new, armed Hamas conquerors with sticks and stones. The Israelis got away with it because the United States turned a blind eye, dragged its allies along and sent gobs of weapons to Israel over the course of decades. Picking a fight with a nuclear power didn't gain anyone else concerned enough, or was futile, so it didn't happen.
 
Noisy noise annoys said:
What annoys me most is that despite all the information he’s been given about real life for these people he ignored it completely in favour of the murderous IDF
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Information like this you mean…..

“A senior Hamas leader has refused to acknowledge that his group killed civilians in Israel, claiming only conscripts were targeted.
Moussa Abu Marzouk told the BBC that "women, children and civilians were exempt" from Hamas's attacks.”

This is in spite of all the video evidence, some even provided by the bodycams of Hamas terrorists themselves who murdered kids at a music festival, butchered civilian men, women and children and did unspeakable and utterly repugnant things even to babies in the villages….

And they still refuse to release Hostages, why ? Ask your professional protestors at the march why no one is protesting against Hamas holding hostages, it may give you some new excuses from 50 years ago to post in here…..
 
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