Current Affairs Israel is an apartheid state

[PhilM]

That’s just disgraceful tbh…6 million Jews were killed, six million…think about that number…next Sunday, Remembrance Sunday we will be paying respect to the 1.3 million British military killed since WW1…again look at the number 1,300,000, yet barely a quarter of what the Jews suffered in WW2…….

This may at first sound a bit obtuse, but… and? How is the above ultimately relevant to the situation, here and now?

While not agreeing with Dave’s message, I really can’t see how mentioning the above could be justifiably used as any form of mitigation.

Firstly, we’re talking about the Israeli state, and not Jews. We’re talking about one state or group of people openly oppressing another.

I’ve talked about the principle of the bullied becoming the bully, but that’s not excusing it or saying it’s any less wrong. If anything, it’s worse.

Israel are not and have not been oppressed. What they are doing now, and in the past, cannot be narrowly viewed as against Hamas or whoever.

What they are doing now has far too many traits and similar to what the Germans, Russians and many others did to the Jews for my comfort.

In essence, you’re using false equivalence.

 

[peteblue]

This may at first sound a bit obtuse, but… and? How is the above ultimately relevant to the situation, here and now?

While not agreeing with Dave’s message, I really can’t see how mentioning the above could be justifiably used as any form of mitigation.

Firstly, we’re talking about the Israeli state, and not Jews. We’re talking about one state or group of people openly oppressing another.

I’ve talked about the principle of the bullied becoming the bully, but that’s not excusing it or saying it’s any less wrong. If anything, it’s worse.

Israel are not and have not been oppressed. What they are doing now, and in the past, cannot be narrowly viewed as against Hamas or whoever.

What they are doing now has far too many traits and similar to what the Germans, Russians and many others did to the Jews for my comfort.

In essence, you’re using false equivalence.

Dave mentioned 1939 and genocide….

 

[peteblue]

Meanwhile can we get a campaign to release the Hostages, thereby allowing some form of ceasefire and a chance to get aid into Gaza…you know, for the good of the Palestinians ……

 

[PhilM]

Dave mentioned 1939 and genocide….

Presumably suggesting that, like in ‘39, you’ve eventually got to confront states who openly oppress others.

 

[Charro]

This war could pause, with a chance of negotiations if Hamas released the hostages, but they won’t. Have we had one single protest march in the U.K. demanding the release of the innocent hostages ?……..

Do you watch or listen to any of the news in regards to this?

 

[Ferguson1878]

A very good point. They are, like so many before them, the by-product of years of propaganda and indoctrination that is fuelled by the state et al.

I go back to the example of the Hitlerjugend and BDM and how innocent children (all children are born innocent) were to become the epitome of racism.

When you live in a country that is sadly sweltering with injustice, oppression and nullification, it isn't surprising that many of the youth display these traits.

if palestine where the oppressors then i’d completely understand them israelis going on like they where in that interview but it’s the complete opposite , but still there not happy they want more and more there scum

 

[peteblue]

Do you watch or listen to any of the news in regards to this?

Do you believe any of the news currently doing the rounds. All I know is that Hamas is holding Hostages, there maybe a chance of a ceasefire, but it won’t happen unless they are released…what is your understanding….,,,

 

[Charro]

Do you believe any of the news currently doing the rounds. All I know is that Hamas is holding Hostages, there maybe a chance of a ceasefire, but it won’t happen unless they are released…what is your understanding….,,,

My point is, our media is very pro Israel in its reporting so they do have a lot of support.

The reason we are seeing more pro Palestine protests is because they do not have the truth of this century long conflict being spoken.

I think Israel should focus all their attention on rescuing the hostages. Their response to the attack is not justified.

 

[peteblue]

My point is, our media is very pro Israel in its reporting so they do have a lot of support.

The reason we are seeing more pro Palestine protests is because they do not have the truth of this century long conflict being spoken.

I think Israel should focus all their attention on rescuing the hostages. Their response to the attack is not justified.

I think I read over 300 Palestinians are being killed each day. Is it not worth people demonstrating for the release of hostages and also allowing over 300 people per day to live…….

 

[Blue 1]

What about the Palestinian hostages, @peteblue ?

1200 of them held in Israeli prisons, which, by the way, is in contravention of international law, nearly all without charge or trial.

 

[Goat]

All I know is that Hamas is holding Hostages,

You dont know, you have been told, by a media that constantly lies.

Believe nothing you are told.

 

[Kiwi]

Beria???

Was that the name of the US cavalry Major that attacked and killed 230 Cheyenne and Arapaho people at Sand Creek in 1864?

Or was it the nickname of the US cavalry Major who led troops against the Lakota people, known as Wounded Knee massacre, when 300 people perished?

No wonder the first settlers on the 'Americas', have an affinity with Palestinians. Both suffering under colonial settlement.

"From the US to Palestine: Indigenous resistance to transnational settler colonialism" https://www.newarab.com/opinion/us-palestine-indigenous-resistance-settler-colonialism?amp

The first settlers on the Americas were hunter gathers who wandered from Asia onto the American continent during the Ice Age. They settled in the north, onto the Great Plains, through to Mexico, the Aztec kingdom down to Chile.

The same fate befell them as it did the Palestinians during the Nakba. Land stolen st the point of a gun. And in the Native Americans case cannons and swords. Manifest Destiny was the start of the US Empire.

Native Americans have always had an affinity with the downtrodden, and those suffering under colonialism.

"Native Americans remember Irish famine donation – The Irish Times" https://www.irishtimes.com/news/native-americans-remember-irish-famine-donation-1.1208119

The world over are showing their solidarity and affinity toward the Palestinians. And complete distain for the colonial occupiers of Palestine and their US backers

Neither Colonel was named Beria.
Beria however ran the NKVD under Stalin.

As to why a Russian bot here is attempting to Astroturf this forum...

 

[Wat Tyler]

Turmoil at the BBC: "Gravest Possible Concerns" at Its Gaza Coverage

In Israel’s current genocidal war on Gaza, with tens of thousands of Palestinians dead and counting, it is no surprise that truth has also been a casualty. The unfolding violence in Palestine, perpetrated by Israel with increasing ferocity since Hamas att

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[Wat Tyler]

My point is, our media is very pro Israel in its reporting so they do have a lot of support.

The reason we are seeing more pro Palestine protests is because they do not have the truth of this century long conflict being spoken.

I think Israel should focus all their attention on rescuing the hostages. Their response to the attack is not justified.

Where is the campaign to release the Palestinian hostages (underage kids taken from their homes for months at a time without charge)

 

[Wat Tyler]