BigMick
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That's very true Paddy, and I'm sure you'll agree that plenty of Palestinians despise the actions of Hamas as well.
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PaddyJames
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Absolutely although I suspect many like seeing someone defend themselves against an evil oppressive regime.
... not sure what to say about this to be honest lol
tsubaki
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It isn't. All the Israeli government are doing is what is required to "win" in the modern media - ie: get in with the owners of the media, intimidate the independents and have enough talking heads that you get your point across. Once they've covered their fibs long enough the media organization in question will never challenge it because that would harm themselves.
In that sense they are no worse than oil companies, banks, tax avoiders and especially our government.
BigMick
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Regarding the shouting down and hounding out of the Grand Mufti - no-one should think he is some sort of Israeli poodle or tame establishment figure. he led the successful campaign against the metal detectors Israel installed at one of the entrances to the compound., and when the police entered the mosque last week he condemned them: “What is going on is a crime perpetrated by the Israeli occupation against the right to hold prayers and a crime against the people of Jerusalem. But their design will fail. The duty of the Islamic world is to rise to guard Al-Aqsa mosque.”
Tellingly, though, he also called on both sides to calm the situation.
The reason he was shouted down was because he refused during his sermon to praise Mohammed Deif, the leader of Hamas's military wing. I would have thought any true religious leader, rather than the hate preachers that grab the headlines all too often and give Islam a bad name, would do the same. Why would he want to praise someone like Deif who has scant regard for the sanctity of human life, be they Jewish or Palestinian?
Unfortunately the Hamas supporters in the mosque thought differently.
PA Prime Minister Mohammad Shtayyeh said that the attack on the mufti was an “assault on the holy sites and national unity.”
Mahmoud al-Habbash, religious affairs adviser to the PA, denounced the assailants as “mercenaries working to serve the agenda of the occupation.”
The Grand Mufti himself said, “Such actions will not make us deviate from our main goal, which is to protect the Al Aqsa Mosque, which is still being trespassed by the Israeli occupation.”
No poster here thinks Hamas are peaceful Zat you 'kin knob. We're just disgusted by 60 kids being bombed to pieces in the space of a week. We're weird like that
Fecking hell. What an absolute clown you are.
Imagine pretending to care but to care for the wrong side.
You are not edgy and informed you are simply clueless. If you really believe the tripe you type you need to go get an actual history lesson and maybe talk to an expert or two on the subject.
You are directing whatever rage you have at the wrong people which seems to be making you blind.
BigMick
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I'd like to think everyone on this thread would agree that Israel needs to re-engage with the Palestinians in an effort to find a peaceful solution.
I'm interested to know whether people think Hamas should have role in that process.
If so, what do they need to do to persuade Israel to talk to them?
If not, who should represent the Palestinian people? And what should be done about Hamas?
I'm interested to know whether people think Hamas should have role in that process.
If so, what do they need to do to persuade Israel to talk to them?
If not, who should represent the Palestinian people? And what should be done about Hamas?
I think most people in this thread wanted an end to the violence. Which thankfully seems to have happened in the main for now.
Personally I would like countries like the UK and US (and others) to acknowledge the disproportionate response from Israel. But rather than actively punish them with sanctions, force them to come together and try to forge a proper peace. And do the same with Hamas.
We have seen over the last 18 months what happens when everyone turns their attention and resources to solving an issue that impacts the world.
There is a lot of support on both sides (Israelis and Palestinians, not the governments necessarily) to foster a working, long term peace that suits both sides as best it possibly can.
Edit: Posted before I finished. You cannot treat Hamas as terrorists without acknowledging that people see Netanyahu’s government as terrorists in the eyes of the people they are fighting.
If the US, UK, UN, Egypt, Iran, UAE etc. came together and sat down with Israeli and Palestinian leaders we might have a chance of sorting this out.
Sadly there are too many interests in this ongoing crisis for that to seem like a viable solution at the moment
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tsubaki
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Surely its the case that the more genuine, fair, understanding and credible an Israeli position was with regards to the Palestinians the "need" (such as it is) for Hamas (and their influence) would reduce to almost nothing?
No bites today Pete. Everyone is losing it in the everton forum instead.
In fairness his whataboutery has got a bite from me in the relevant thread. But because he hasn't got enough bites he has decided to try it in here as well
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