Current Affairs Israel is an apartheid state

[peteblue]

And that's why we're at where we're at. That the narrative counts suffering of Israelis only. If you keep flicking a dog on the nose at one point it's going to bite you.
For decades the Palestinians have been treated as 2nd class or less by the consecutive, and worsening, Israeli state (democratic) governments*
They have had every scrap of dignity removed as well as their homes, their culture and ultimately their hopes for themselves and their children. Constantly.
And while looking to the world for help, agencies like the UN have been ignored by western politicians and their aggressors funded by the very people from whom they seek help.
People haven't been protesting their support for the Palestinian cause for less than a month. They've been doing it as long as I've been aware, and I'm in the same age bracket as you.
So yes, let's go back, and measure in deaths how far we should go, which seems to be the method used by those who won't accept the suffering constantly for 70+ years of the Palestinians. We can highlight 'atrocities' if you like, but we will always reach that point that will show the Israeli state's end game is genocide and the eradication of the Palestinian peoples.

*the democratic element used to promote Israel as having values is the same argument used by the US & UK etc to justify using depleted uranium on the people of Iraq, or the flattening of Afghanistan or anywhere else western (economic) democracy has invaded.

A good post. However would you agree that the current invasion and destruction of Gaza was instigated by the Hamas terrorist on the 7th ?…..

 

[davek]

Loyalists support Israel always have.

True.

They identify with the idea of supremacism...which is ironic given that they're all knuckle dragging simians.

 

[davek]

"The one shining example of democracy in the Middle East blah blah blah".

 

[peteblue]

That's a cheap way of trying to shut down debate, my dude.

Perhaps, and I don’t want to shut down debate as I’m sure many younger people know far more about the current situation. I just can’t be doing with dragging up the last 50 years as an excuse for the behaviour of Hamas….

 

[davek]

Do we think there could be a leadership challenge for Labour over all this?

No chance I'd say. Although his approval ratings are on the slide the former LP are riding high in the polls and all of his well drilled lickspittles want a Minister's wages.

 

[peteblue]

Pete,

I have relatives who fought in the Irish War of Independence 1916-22, in the Civil War 1922-23, and the First World war for the British against the Germans and her allies.

I have a keen interest in history, and I am 58.

Please tell me I m allowed to express an opinion about the past from before 1965.

Of course you are, and indeed I have similar. But I wouldn’t accept an argument of what went on 50 years ago as a reason for a terrorist attack today…….

 

[ramacca]

It carries on with this.



And end like this for Palestinians.

 

[Wat Tyler]

Of course you are, and indeed I have similar. But I wouldn’t accept an argument of what went on 50 years ago as a reason for a terrorist attack today…….

It’s not just what happened in the past, it’s the fact that Israel have occupied Palestinian territory for years, they’ve stolen land and bussed in Israeli settlers. It’s not like Hamas attacked because of something that happened in the 40’s, it’s been an ongoing, continuous dehumanising occupation.

 

[Wat Tyler]

"The one shining example of democracy in the Middle East blah blah blah".

 

[peteblue]

Pete

9 years ago - 2014.

Over 2000 Palestinians killed, 70% of whom were civilians.

I repeat, in 30 years of the tragic "Troubles" in Northern Ireland, 3,500 people lost their lives and we are still sore and sad for the loss,and for their families 25 years after the GFA.

Peace came because people sat down and tortuously worked out an Agreement.

Growing up, I never dreamed that I would see Paisley and McGuinness working together to jointly govern NI.

Violence on this scale against innocents as a response to a disgusting attack on October 7th is not justifiable.

Israel's war crimes against civilians and civilian targets cannot be excused by pointing to Oct 7th.

Somehow, some pprobably external and neutral agent or agents must try to bring the two sides to negotiations for settlement .

I n my opinion this will never happen while Netanyahu is there.

There are less extreme politicians in that cabinet and there is a will among ordinate Israelis to stop the slaughter. At the moment they cannot be heard above the din of the hawks and their horrendous military onslaught.

I keep praying mate.

All I want to see them do is sit down, talk, agree and live together. But I think the 7th reset the clock yet again I’m afraid…..

 

[davek]

The Greek lad nailed it.

 

[peteblue]

Literally the justification Israel are using for ethnic cleansing.
Palestinians have been dying in thousands per year-I guess they aren't people in your eyes.

That’s just crass. I wish only the best for Palestinians and Jews alike. They are all just ordinary people. Terrorists though I wish only death upon them….

 

[Khalekan]

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

That’s just crass. I wish only the best for Palestinians and Jews alike. They are all just ordinary people. Terrorists though I wish only death upon them….

Isrsel are Palestinians terrorists, occupying their lands and murdering their people for over half a century, Do you wish death upon them?

Daft apologist. Imagine being so stupid

 

[magicjuan]

A good post. However would you agree that the current invasion and destruction of Gaza was instigated by the Hamas terrorist on the 7th ?…..

No, I'd say it was instigated by Israel, on two counts. Firstly, Israel knowingly, repeatedly and daily provoked the situation knowing it would explode. Israel gambled with the lives of its own people by doing so. Secondly, and this is a tactic used many times by desperate politicians, by playing to already heightened nationalistic, Netanyahu knew he could garner plenty of support, at a time when his was waning, in the lead up to the next election.
Hamas reacted. Hamas carried out a terrorist attack killing multiples of innocent people, something I would never condone, to think it was unexpected, especially to an intelligence service as far reaching and complex as Israel's, is naive.
To think that Hamas would never carry out an attack like this is just as naive, especially considering the daily activities of what is a rogue state carrying out ethnic cleansing.
So, where we have intervened in ethnic cleansing before, why haven't we this time? And if we had, would October 7th have happened?
The world has a level of culpability in this.