Current Affairs Israel is an apartheid state

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Finding a two state solution is seriously in Israeli interests, but the settlers are the tail that wags the dog these days, and the mental ones, the ones Bibi handed power to, believe their mission to settle the West Bank is religiously ordained.
 
Perhaps but it seemed clear to me at least what the intent was, but like anything regarding 'Israel' these days it is taken as offensive as erring on the side of caution, just in case it was offensive, keep the narrative going. 'We can't be the aggressors because everybody is attacking us'
I think it’s the source of the phrase that is the issue. It was coined by the leader of Hamas when they unveiled their charter. When he read the phrase out he preceded it by describing one of the articles in the charter that talked about rising up in jihad against the Zionists
 
Finding a two state solution is seriously in Israeli interests, but the settlers are the tail that wags the dog these days, and the mental ones, the ones Bibi handed power to, believe their mission to settle the West Bank is religiously ordained.
Absolutely NOT!
As it is now, they have their captives where they want them and tighten the noose on a daily basis and the world is powerless to act. Two state solution means Palestinians get international recognition and Israel would have to reign it in. They DO NOT WANT A TWO STATE SOLUTION, no matter how much they pretend they do. Additionally, they will never give their hosts anything back and so Palestine will not agree to it either.

It is a complete ruse
 
Absolutely NOT!
As it is now, they have their captives where they want them and tighten the noose on a daily basis and the world is powerless to act. Two state solution means Palestinians get international recognition and Israel would have to reign it in. They DO NOT WANT A TWO STATE SOLUTION, no matter how much they pretend they do. Additionally, they will never give their hosts anything back and so Palestine will not agree to it either.

It is a complete ruse

….and all the time, a glorious part of the world suffers because of religion and hate.
 
Absolutely NOT!
As it is now, they have their captives where they want them and tighten the noose on a daily basis and the world is powerless to act. Two state solution means Palestinians get international recognition and Israel would have to reign it in. They DO NOT WANT A TWO STATE SOLUTION, no matter how much they pretend they do. Additionally, they will never give their hosts anything back and so Palestine will not agree to it either.

It is a complete ruse
Disagree. It's in their interests, in the sense that the Israelis cannot both have security and the expulsion of the Palestinians.

I agree that it's not what the populace wants. There is a difference between a nation's interests and what is popular. Spend enough time in America, and this becomes obvious. American voters couldn't find the country's interests with a map. Jordan Klepper proves this on the regular.

This is more or less why we observe democratic countries doing stupid, self-defeating things.
 
Anti Zionist Jewish Rabbi. Zinoism is the issue.



Hamas's original chapter spoke about illuminating Jews from Palestine.

This is their 2017 document, a political manifesto. Hamas is a political party and stands for elections but has a military wing. Like the republican movement in occupied Ireland and the ANC in apartheid South Africa.



Number 14 is the Zionist Project.
 
Disagree. It's in their interests, in the sense that the Israelis cannot both have security and the expulsion of the Palestinians.

I agree that it's not what the populace wants. There is a difference between a nation's interests and what is popular. Spend enough time in America, and this becomes obvious. American voters couldn't find the country's interests with a map. Jordan Klepper proves this on the regular.

This is more or less why we observe democratic countries doing stupid, self-defeating things.
I disagree further, this war will end with the further displacement of Palestinians and maybe new buffer zones, it will ultimately make isrsel harder to hit. What remains of Palestine won’t have anything left

Love Jordan klepper though
 
The BBC: massive air strike on a refugee centre with terrible losses - then they tell us they're going to cover an event from 3 weeks ago form one of the attacks in Israel.

The sooner that scumbag broadcaster is broken up and handed to the spivs waiting in the wings the better.
 
Except that South Africa was run by a minority population. Israel has more than twice as many Jews than Palestinians……..

Pete with respect that is a weak argument unless you ascribe to " The Majority Rules OK and let the minority put up or shut up".

A bit like "A protestant parliament for a protestant people" - Craig, Northern Ireland's PM in 1921. This situation continued until 1972 when Direct Rule from London was imposed on NI.

Israel seems to want to rid the whole land of Palestinians into Egypt or Syria - they don't seem to want to entertain the thought of innocent peaceful Palestinians living near Israelis.

It is reprehensible and now they have bombed a refugee camp. Sickening. :mad:
 
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