Current Affairs Israel is an apartheid state

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hate the religion? I bet you know nothing about it other than what the express, mail, sun has printed .

Having gone through lots of that religion it’s has it’s parts people would find abhorrent but so does Judaism and Christianity so I presume you hate them too ?

Anyway I find that I hate the religion not the person weird unless you hate all religion.
I know right it's such a cop out.

Unless he's had a conversation with his Muslim friend and told him he hates his religion and he's cool with that I don't believe him.

To never have a conversation about faith with friends means you cannot actually be friends. I find it hard to believe friends have not discussed it. If both are avoiding it then are they really friends. Acquaintances maybe.
 
Lets just ignore there being a huge amount of rocks on the floor in the mosque.

Then lets ignore the other rocks outside the mosque which had been hurled at people and later the police (once they were called).

Whether thats a mosque, church or synagogue they knew what they were doing.
A bit of catching up but the takeaway point is:
Sticks and stones may break my bones so missiles are a proportionate response.
 
Biden's response to this has been pathetic. Not a surprise given the US's position (and his historically) with regards to Israel but still very disappointing. As has been the UK's but we don't have the same influence and we have a complete clown as a leader.
 
Peep Show.webp
This is how I imagine @Zatara approaches global politics, except he 'supports' Israel. He's not really sure why, but just like in the transfer thread, he desperately wants to be seen as cleverer than everyone else, not realising how he's really perceived.

Then there's @arminisgod who is genuinely an unpleasant xenophobe who's motivated by intense dislike of brown people.
 
Just waiting for a line up from him in goal
GK -Benjamin Netanyahu
RB - Benny Gantz CB - scud missiles lol etc

They're to old for zat, with his unhealthy liking of youth players it's a wonder he's fine with children being murdered. Maybe if they where attacking midfielders from some under 13s team from the Palestinian 4th division he might be horrified like the rest of us.
 
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This is how I imagine @Zatara approaches global politics, except he 'supports' Israel. He's not really sure why, but just like in the transfer thread, he desperately wants to be seen as cleverer than everyone else, not realising how he's really perceived.

Then there's @arminisgod who is genuinely an unpleasant xenophobe who's motivated by intense dislike of brown people.

Pretty much sums it up. I like reading Pete and say, Tubeys, views on some things I don't agree with and you can tell they always have a basis for their argument etc.

Whereas with @Zatara , it's clearly he literally has no idea what he is talking about.
 
I might be thinking of Ehud Barak's offer at Camp David but I think the major stumbling blocks were Jerusalem - the Palestinians were offered Abu Dis as their capital, which lies outside the Jerusalem municipality - and, as usual again, the right of return. I think the land swap being offered was a bit of desert with no continuity with either Gaza or the West Bank as well. But without going back and reading again I can't remember exactly which Ehud offered what. I remember at the time thinking of of both that they'd never be acceptable to any Palestinian leadership and they must have known it. I always thought the offers were made in bad faith knowing it would allow them to present the Palestinian side as the obstacle to peace.
Yes I think that was Barak's offer; Olmert's offer was a division of the city along the lines of its Jewish and Arab sectors, along with shared control over the city’s holy sites through a special committee that would include representatives from Saudi Arabia, Jordan, the US, Palestine, and Israel. Both would have been free to name their part of the city as their capital: Al Quds and Yerushalayim. There was a land link with Gaza in his plan, right of return was a compromise figure which I can't remember but was I think acceptable to Abbas - although he's probably denied it since!

You may be right about the offers being made in bad faith - who knows? They were made just a year or so after Hamas had seized power in Gaza, and they were
doing all they could to disrupt the negotiations with sporadic missiles into Israel and at least one assassination attempt on Abbas. Hamas wouldn't have accepted any deal, and without Gaza there could be no deal.

My main criticism of the Israelis is in the years after this time when they should have done everything they could to make the PA successful in the West Bank, strengthening the moderate political-secular factor in Palestine over the religious-radical one, and eventually leading to the establishment of a Palestinian state. They weren't the only ones to blame for the failure of the PA, but they should have done more, and it was in their own interests to do more!
 
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