Current Affairs Israel is an apartheid state

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[JoeLovell]

Shapps on Sky News now saying that a ceasefire isn’t appropriate, whilst struggling to answer the question of how the Government can back the killing of innocent civilians in Palestine by Israel

 

[Milkman]

View attachment 232998Shapps on Sky News now saying that a ceasefire isn’t appropriate…..warmonger

A man who couldn't even stop train drivers going on strike. What chance for peace with cowards like Shapps in charge?

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

This is what they want. While there is hamas there is cause for blockade and in turn no peace talks which results in Palestine never being granted international recognition

 

[magicjuan]

You keep referring to Israeli as ‘guests’. They are not guests, the Jews have been there as long as those now called Palestinians. After WW2 the UN created Israel, Palestine had never existed but the area was divided between the two groups. The Arab countries attacked the Jews and then in 1967 the Israelis completely beat the surrounding countries and took over what is now Israel. Like it or not but war produces owners of land. The Jews won, the Arabs lost. Yes the Israelis have treated the people now known as Palestinians abysmally and killed a great many of them while systematically taking over whatever land they had. Meanwhile various terror groups continually killed lesser numbers of Israelis. This continued until we are where we now are. What you can’t do is get your head around the fact that the history and constant reference to it will not bring peace. If these two tribes are ever going to live together then the terrorist guns must go. If not then it’s down to whoever is the strongest and unfortunately for the Palestinians it’s not them. I want to see peace within Israel and both tribes living alongside each other, you however are only interested in dragging up the past. You say you’ve asked me about the above and I’ve replied, I’ve asked you how to bring peace and you ignore it. I don’t disappear, I just get fed up with a sterile debate going nowhere….

The Jews were an amalgamation of nomads. They had no fixed land until they wanted one. Only identified through Judah and Benjamin and as such only one of those tribes.
As for recent history and terrorist guns, the formation of Israel came about through terrorists and murder, including British troops who were peacekeepers.
These groups like the Stern gang and Irgun had murderers who then went into government.
If we don't look at the entire history we miss the biggest issue. But we have a history of supporting invading powers, being one of the worst culprits in Britain (England more accurately) as Wales, Scotland, NI and countless others will testify.
Recognise this as an occupation and we see a path to peace. Or deny it and accept the Germans had a right to the Sudetanland, France, Belgium etc

 

[tantavisiteler]

It is interesting to see how some are actively expressing that Palestinian lives are equal to Israeli lives etc but are silent or not equally invested regarding Ukrainianes being murdered and abused on a daily basis by Russia.

I support Ukraine and Palestine

 

[Zatara]

I asked you specifically because to date you have consistently defended Israel’s genocidal actions. I stupidly thought that not even you would hide behind the pre-meditated murder of Palestinian children as some Machiavellian scenario but here we are.

Im yet to hear of anyone on this thread propose a viable way to remove and destroy Hamas without any innocent lives being lost.

Because whats being missed by many is that Hamas are the ones causing the Palestinian people this grief.

It is interesting to see how some are actively expressing that Palestinian lives are equal to Israeli lives etc but are silent or not equally invested regarding Ukrainianes being murdered and abused on a daily basis by Russia.

Yes, theres been an outpouring against Israel, when they were the ones attacked.

But many of them also claim to be pro Ukraine who were also the ones attacked.

It makes sense to be pro Israel / Ukraine.

But those whose hatred against Israel/Jews runs deep have far more common with the level of hatred Russia has shown.

The torture, murder and rape of innocents perpetrated by Hamas and Russia compare and not the responses of Israel and Ukraine.

View attachment 232998Shapps on Sky News now saying that a ceasefire isn’t appropriate, whilst struggling to answer the question of how the Government can back the killing of innocent civilians in Palestine by Israel

How will a ceasefire destroy Hamas?

What is the purpose of a ceasefire?

Hamas have only ever used ceasefires and 'peaceful' times to grow their group, build up more weapons warchests and plan attacks against Israel.

A ceasefire only makes sense to Hamas.

Palestinians and hostages are one and the same to Hamas...they wont be allowed to leave en masse.

I support Ukraine and Palestine

Well Israeli's and Ukrainians support each other....Russia supports Hamas.

Its a very peculiar stand to take.

Unless you support the innocents in Palestine and Ukraine...but then why not the Israeli innocents?

 

[xena]

I honestly feel sick with whats happening .Can't believe these Tory rats can support this and Labour are no better.

 

[Zatara]

@Armaghtoffee you middle finger me because you cant answer a question?

You cant provide a solution to the problem.

So instead claim I am pro the killing of innocent people -- which ive never posted.

Clear pattern here with people unable to answer a question about their view for a solution. @peteblue has had the same.

Not one viable alternative to destroy a terrorist group. If you havent a solution then its not for you to post lies about others is it...

Its not hard to understand

1: Hamas controls Gaza.
2: Gazans are trapped by Hamas
3: Hamas attacked Israel
4: Israel have taken one option to destroy Hamas

What is your solution instead of that?

How can you not comprehend Hamas is the enemy here?

 

[tsubaki]

@Armaghtoffee you middle finger me because you cant answer a question?

You cant provide a solution to the problem.

So instead claim I am pro the killing of innocent people -- which ive never posted.

Clear pattern here with people unable to answer a question about their view for a solution. @peteblue has had the same.

Not one viable alternative to destroy a terrorist group. If you havent a solution then its not for you to post lies about others is it...

Its not hard to understand

1: Hamas controls Gaza.
2: Gazans are trapped by Hamas
3: Hamas attacked Israel
4: Israel have taken one option to destroy Hamas

What is your solution instead of that?

How can you not comprehend Hamas is the enemy here?

I know I am still on your block list, but please understand that there is a difference between you getting an answer and you getting an answer that you do not like. Plenty of people have told you about viable alternatives to this, you've ignored them all. Plenty of people have told you that killing thousands / tens of thousands of civilians - men, the elderly, women, children, babies - and ethnically cleansing the Gaza Strip isn't going to destroy a terrorist group, and you've ignored them too.

The enemy here is you, and people like you. Hamas exists because of people like you; the world is in such dire straits because of people like you.

 

[Armaghtoffee]

@Armaghtoffee you middle finger me because you cant answer a question?

You cant provide a solution to the problem.

So instead claim I am pro the killing of innocent people -- which ive never posted.

Clear pattern here with people unable to answer a question about their view for a solution. @peteblue has had the same.

Not one viable alternative to destroy a terrorist group. If you havent a solution then its not for you to post lies about others is it...

Its not hard to understand

1: Hamas controls Gaza.
2: Gazans are trapped by Hamas
3: Hamas attacked Israel
4: Israel have taken one option to destroy Hamas

What is your solution instead of that?

How can you not comprehend Hamas is the enemy here?

Murdering innocent civilians is never going to be a solution. Dialogue is the way forward.

 

[Zatara]

Murdering innocent civilians is never going to be a solution. Dialogue is the way forward.

Dialogue. Interesting.

Dialogue between who?

 

[tantavisiteler]

Im yet to hear of anyone on this thread propose a viable way to remove and destroy Hamas without any innocent lives being lost.

Because whats being missed by many is that Hamas are the ones causing the Palestinian people this grief.



Yes, theres been an outpouring against Israel, when they were the ones attacked.

But many of them also claim to be pro Ukraine who were also the ones attacked.

It makes sense to be pro Israel / Ukraine.

But those whose hatred against Israel/Jews runs deep have far more common with the level of hatred Russia has shown.

The torture, murder and rape of innocents perpetrated by Hamas and Russia compare and not the responses of Israel and Ukraine.



How will a ceasefire destroy Hamas?

What is the purpose of a ceasefire?

Hamas have only ever used ceasefires and 'peaceful' times to grow their group, build up more weapons warchests and plan attacks against Israel.

A ceasefire only makes sense to Hamas.

Palestinians and hostages are one and the same to Hamas...they wont be allowed to leave en masse.



Well Israeli's and Ukrainians support each other....Russia supports Hamas.

Its a very peculiar stand to take.

Unless you support the innocents in Palestine and Ukraine...but then why not the Israeli innocents?

Not really. Ukrained abstained last night, unlike the USA. Ukraine does recognise Palestine unlike UK, USA or France

 

[Armaghtoffee]

Dialogue. Interesting.

Dialogue between who?

Dialogue between Palestine and Israel. Dialogue throughout the wider region to put a end to the senseless slaughter on both sides.

It really isn’t difficult to understand.

If you can’t accept that the mass slaughter of children is a senseless atrocity then I don’t even know where to start.

Please spare me vacuous comments about ‘negotiating with terrorists’ as is your normal ill informed mantra.

 

[Blue 1]

In order for organisations like Hamas not to exist, you need to create the political conditions for them not to exist, which means affording the Palestinian population at large the freedoms any other civilised nation has. Once the boot is off their throat, they'll have no need for organisations like Hamas, and they will become marginalised.

See: Northern Ireland.