magicjuan
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The Hamas = Isis thing to me is new? Has it been pushed before, to this extent?
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The Hamas = Isis thing to me is new? Has it been pushed before, to this extent?
Everyone does. Not too sure why the Israelis needed to kill 5000 innocents in revenge though
peteblue
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So, imagine you are Israel. 1400 innocent people are murdered and another 200 taken as hostages. What do you do ? Say well never mind it’s just Hamas, maybe get a little upset or decide to do something. Now no bullshit guys, if you were in Israel what would you demand happened….please, no history, no whataboutery, just say what in that instance what would you want done……
it is a very simple but effective tool to turn marginals in to viewing israeli mass murder of the palestinians as justified.
Interesting article from Lawrence Freedman that discusses alternative strategies that Israel could adopt and exploring short/medium term diplomatic solutions.
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I've seen it around.
I follow a few Israeli DJ's/producers who were either at or knew people at the music festival that was attacked and have seen a few of their followers post the Hamas is ISIS thing as a hashtag.
It seems that one of the justifications some people in support of Israel are trying to put forward is that the US/UK bombed both Iraq and Afghanistan into near oblivion to get to Al Qaeda/ISIS, so therefore it is ok for them to do it to get to Hamas.
Not kill 5000 innocent people thats for sure. When we had manchester arena and the bus bombings etc we didnt just murder a load of Muslims in east london. It is clearly highly illegal and so obviously a disgusting attack on those who have nothing to do with October 7th.
As for you "no history or whataboutery" it is ALL ABOUT THE HISTORY. Israel has created this situation but that fact ruins your "the Palestinians in Gaza deserve it" waffle
magicjuan
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It is that. Just curious as, prior to the last few days, since the hospital bombing, I'd never heard a connection between Hamas and Isis, Hamas was always a stand alone organisation, unconnected to any jihadist group.
Weird they make very strange and fortunate bedfellows at this time.
Propaganda, some might say
Israel are masters at it and there are quite a few fools on here who have totally fallen for it all.It is that. Just curious as, prior to the last few days, since the hospital bombing, I'd never heard a connection between Hamas and Isis, Hamas was always a stand alone organisation, unconnected to any jihadist group.
Weird they make very strange and fortunate bedfellows at this time.
Propaganda, some might say
magicjuan
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But has that been since the Hamas attack? Not seen it before.
I have no idea to be honest. I've only seen it since the Oct 7th attack, but don't know if it was a thing before that.
I'd send Zatara in to bore them to tears.
magicjuan
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Kind of what I was aiming at tbh. As mentioned, using this, by joining random dotsbetween the two, there is an agenda to cover up the Palestinian cause or story and paint this as just a 'terrorist attack' when the reality shows different. Doesn't stop it being needless and horrific, but it certainly wasn't just spontaneous.
It is that. Just curious as, prior to the last few days, since the hospital bombing, I'd never heard a connection between Hamas and Isis, Hamas was always a stand alone organisation, unconnected to any jihadist group.
Weird they make very strange and fortunate bedfellows at this time.
Propaganda, some might say
They've been trying conflate the Palestinian national cause with ISIS for years in the eyes of the West. Hamas = ISIS is just an extension of that.
peteblue
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I asked, what would you do, not what you wouldn‘t do. Now try again…..
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