Current Affairs Israel is an apartheid state

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Some people always have to turn it into religion.

I couldnt care less what made up religion any of them follow.

I dont care what religion that the men, women and children that are dying follow.

Im anti-thesenelessslaughterofinnocents, but it seems as tho that makes me Hitler or something.

Yid4life doesn't care about that. He's backing the slaughter.

I just dont get why he also calls himself by that username. Can you imagine someone black registering here with the n-word and getting away with it...
 
Nearly 5000 Palestinian dead, the best part of 2000 of them children, and the IDF says it's increasing the intensity of its bombing campaign from tonight.

If you still support this, you are cheerleading genocide and you have entirely lost your moral compass.

However repulsive Hamas' actions were, and they were undoubtedly war crimes, they do not excuse or justify what Israel is doing.

Every world leader should be calling for a ceasefire and the immediate release of civilian hostages, and that many aren't, is disgraceful.
 
Nearly 5000 Palestinian dead, the best part of 2000 of them children, and the IDF says it's increasing the intensity of its bombing campaign from tonight.

If you still support this, you are cheerleading genocide and you have entirely lost your moral compass.

However repulsive Hamas' actions were, and they were undoubtedly war crimes, they do not excuse or justify what Israel is doing.

Every world leader should be calling for a ceasefire and the immediate release of civilian hostages, and that many aren't, is disgraceful.
That's heartbreaking 😔
 
At least they have dropped the facade of being 'anti-Israeli' not 'antisemitic'.

Honesty is the best policy.

If it’s anything it’s xenophobic as it’s criticism aimed at a country, not a race of people.

The Jewish population is huge and spans the globe.

You just use antisemitism because you don’t want to face up to the crimes Israel is committing.

We’ll continue to criticise Israel. You can continue to shout antisemitism at every opportunity if you wish.
 
If it’s anything it’s xenophobic as it’s criticism aimed at a country, not a race of people.

The Jewish population is huge and spans the globe.

You just use antisemitism because you don’t want to face up to the crimes Israel is committing.

We’ll continue to criticise Israel. You can continue to shout antisemitism at every opportunity if you wish.

The problem of course is that people around the world look at their Jewish community or individuals as if they were Israel, hence attacks and stars of David painted on Jewish homes. There were 100,000 people supporting Palestine in London today, I don’t remember as many people protesting or supporting Jews when Hamas terrorists killed 1400 Jews for no reason……
 
The problem of course is that people around the world look at their Jewish community or individuals as if they were Israel, hence attacks and stars of David painted on Jewish homes. There were 100,000 people supporting Palestine in London today, I don’t remember as many people protesting or supporting Jews when Hamas terrorists killed 1400 Jews for no reason……
Well that's because it was a terrorist attack nobody outside of the perpetrators and possibly some intelligence services were expecting. It's a bit late protesting after the event. I'm fairly sure that if the tide was turned, people would turn out accordingly.

People have been protesting against the Israeli retaliation in the hope it can be stopped.
 
Well that's because it was a terrorist attack nobody outside of the perpetrators and possibly some intelligence services were expecting.

People have been protesting against the Israeli retaliation in the hope it can be stopped.

It just seems a bit one sided…….
 
The problem of course is that people around the world look at their Jewish community or individuals as if they were Israel, hence attacks and stars of David painted on Jewish homes. There were 100,000 people supporting Palestine in London today, I don’t remember as many people protesting or supporting Jews when Hamas terrorists killed 1400 Jews for no reason……
There's parallels with post 9/11. No one was out protesting Al Qaeda en masse. But when a counterproductive and heavy handed retaliation was launched, with similar "you're with us or you're against us" style rhetoric, then people protested.

The danger is it all becomes binary. The extreme actors in both sides of the dispute drive the actions and narrative. The reconciliatory moderates get drowned out, which is my sense if what has been happening in this conflict for a long time before the Hamas attacks.
 
The problem of course is that people around the world look at their Jewish community or individuals as if they were Israel, hence attacks and stars of David painted on Jewish homes. There were 100,000 people supporting Palestine in London today, I don’t remember as many people protesting or supporting Jews when Hamas terrorists killed 1400 Jews for no reason……
Surely you're too long in the tooth to be this ignorant. Is slaughter of civilians ever justified? No. Are there reasons behind this horrific course of action? Yes. Do many times this die at the hands of the Israeli government. Yes. Did Israel itself form from terror groups who slaughtered Arabs, murdered British citizens to achieve their idea of freedom? Yes. Those protesting today would like include a big proportion of jews too. Many of the very right wing Israeli government have went full mask off with their beliefs that non-jews, particularly arabs are less than human, their children worth less. They are openly committing war crimes. If they want rid of Hamas only, why are children killed in the street in the West Bank for protesting (Hamas was elected in Gaza, not West Bank)

*Brig. Gen. Yitzhak Segev, who was the Israeli military governor in Gaza in the early 1980s. Segev later told a New York Times reporter that he had helped finance the Palestinian Islamist movement as a “counterweight” to the secularists and leftists of the Palestine Liberation Organization and the Fatah party, led by Yasser Arafat (who himself referred to Hamas as “a creature of Israel.”)

“The Israeli government gave me a budget,” the retired brigadier general confessed, “and the military government gives to the mosques.”

“Hamas, to my great regret, is Israel’s creation,” Avner Cohen, a former Israeli religious affairs official who worked in Gaza for more than two decades, told the Wall Street Journal in 2009. Back in the mid-1980s, Cohen even wrote an official report to his superiors warning them not to play divide-and-rule in the Occupied Territories, by backing Palestinian Islamists against Palestinian secularists. “I … suggest focusing our efforts on finding ways to break up this monster before this reality jumps in our face,” he wrote* Note- backing of extreme Islamist movements in Middle Eastern countries with either training, money and/or arms, was first pioneered by the US and Brits.


The problem of course is that people around the world look at the behaviour of terrorist groups or individuals as if they were representative of all Muslims or anyone brown/with a beard.
 
There's parallels with post 9/11. No one was out protesting Al Qaeda en masse. But when a counterproductive and heavy handed retaliation was launched, with similar "you're with us or you're against us" style rhetoric, then people protested.

The danger is it all becomes binary. The extreme actors in both sides of the dispute drive the actions and narrative. The reconciliatory moderates get drowned our, which is my sense if what has been happening in this conflict for a long time before the Hamas attacks.

Unfortunately it’s usually young people and the older liberals. They get get caught up in the ‘cause’ without really thinking about both sides of the debate, you can see it in here…a) is bad, b) is good, yet this is all about the lives of ordinary people and whatever future they have…..
 
The problem of course is that people around the world look at their Jewish community or individuals as if they were Israel, hence attacks and stars of David painted on Jewish homes. There were 100,000 people supporting Palestine in London today, I don’t remember as many people protesting or supporting Jews when Hamas terrorists killed 1400 Jews for no reason……

Pete when that happened most of the world had some degree of sympathy.

What has eroded that sympathy completely for very many people is how the current Israeli government, who (along with previous governments) built the pyre which was lit these past two weeks, have reacted to what happened. Cutting all supplies essential for life for two million people is wrong. Deliberately bombing schools, churches, mosques, hospitals and other civilian infrastructure (like the Rafah Crossing itself) is wrong. Killing entire families is wrong. Driving men, women and children out of their homes is wrong. Blatantly lying to the entire world is wrong. Interfering in the internal politics, social and media spheres of other countries to promote their own self interest is wrong.

What makes it worse is that genuine attempts to help Israel, to calm and reassure the government, receive no respect whatsoever. Everyone from Biden to Sunak to Abbas to Sissi to Erdogan to the UN knows that if the IDF go into Gaza it is going to cause a catastrophe, and they've all publicly and privately warned the Israeli government of this. It is very likely those who carried out the attack actively want that catastrophe to take place. Yet here Bibi is, determined to push the button and damn the consequences.
 
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