Current Affairs Israel is an apartheid state

[peteblue]

Surely you're too long in the tooth to be this ignorant. Is slaughter of civilians ever justified? No. Are there reasons behind this horrific course of action? Yes. Do many times this die at the hands of the Israeli government. Yes. Did Israel itself form from terror groups who slaughtered Arabs, murdered British citizens to achieve their idea of freedom? Yes. Those protesting today would like include a big proportion of jews too. Many of the very right wing Israeli government have went full mask off with their beliefs that non-jews, particularly arabs are less than human, their children worth less. They are openly committing war crimes. If they want rid of Hamas only, why are children killed in the street in the West Bank for protesting (Hamas was elected in Gaza, not West Bank)

*Brig. Gen. Yitzhak Segev, who was the Israeli military governor in Gaza in the early 1980s. Segev later told a New York Times reporter that he had helped finance the Palestinian Islamist movement as a “counterweight” to the secularists and leftists of the Palestine Liberation Organization and the Fatah party, led by Yasser Arafat (who himself referred to Hamas as “a creature of Israel.”)

“The Israeli government gave me a budget,” the retired brigadier general confessed, “and the military government gives to the mosques.”

“Hamas, to my great regret, is Israel’s creation,” Avner Cohen, a former Israeli religious affairs official who worked in Gaza for more than two decades, told the Wall Street Journal in 2009. Back in the mid-1980s, Cohen even wrote an official report to his superiors warning them not to play divide-and-rule in the Occupied Territories, by backing Palestinian Islamists against Palestinian secularists. “I … suggest focusing our efforts on finding ways to break up this monster before this reality jumps in our face,” he wrote* Note- backing of extreme Islamist movements in Middle Eastern countries with either training, money and/or arms, was first pioneered by the US and Brits.

Surely you are far too educated to believe the above. No one has the right to kill on an unbelievable scale. Hamas did this in the full knowledge and indeed intention of drawing Israel into a wider conflict. This was not accidental, this was not a spur of the moment attack. This had been planned and thought about months or even a year in advance. Preparations were made, people were trained, arms were provided and missiles and delivery systems were produced. This was a very deliberate attack for a deliberate outcome. Unfortunately for Hamas the outcome is going to be elimination. Iran, which has put all this in place now has fewer options due to the USA stationing fleets in the area. Israel is more than capable of sorting out Iran on its own, and many of the surrounding countries will be happy to stay out of it. Just look at the Egyptian response. Iran and Hamas have screwed the Palestinians. We all want both sides to live together, but while Hamas exists that won’t happen…….

 

[peteblue]

Pete when that happened most of the world had some degree of sympathy.

What has eroded that sympathy completely for very many people is how the current Israeli government, who (along with previous governments) built the pyre which was lit these past two weeks, have reacted to what happened. Cutting all supplies essential for life for two million people is wrong. Deliberately bombing schools, churches, mosques, hospitals and other civilian infrastructure (like the Rafah Crossing itself) is wrong. Killing entire families is wrong. Driving men, women and children out of their homes is wrong. Blatantly lying to the entire world is wrong. Interfering in the internal politics, social and media spheres of other countries to promote their own self interest is wrong.

What makes it worse is that genuine attempts to help Israel, to calm and reassure the government, receive no respect whatsoever. Everyone from Biden to Sunak to Abbas to Sissi to Erdogan to the UN knows that if the IDF go into Gaza it is going to cause a catastrophe, and they've all publicly and privately warned the Israeli government of this. It is very likely those who carried out the attack actively want that catastrophe to take place. Yet here Bibi is, determined to push the button and damn the consequences.

And what is your solution to get rid of Hamas…..

 

[Charro]

The problem of course is that people around the world look at their Jewish community or individuals as if they were Israel, hence attacks and stars of David painted on Jewish homes. There were 100,000 people supporting Palestine in London today, I don’t remember as many people protesting or supporting Jews when Hamas terrorists killed 1400 Jews for no reason……

Unfortunately Israel’s actions since that attack has lead to more support going towards Palestine.

It’s a response to Israel’s continuation of trying to destroy Palestine.

The attack on Israel was abhorrent and despite what you and others try and make out there’s been little defence of it.

But the fact you and others ignore is Israel’s treatment of the Palestinian people over the last 70 years.

The deserve our support whilst their country is under bombardment. The people of israel also deserve our support and if you look at our media there is plenty of that.

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

Interesting article on how (some) British Jews are trying to reconcile the horror of the Hamas attacks and the Israel state's response.

Shock, rage, increasing unease: UK’s Jewish community wrestles with response to war

British Jews came together to condemn Hamas, but concerns over Israel’s actions are being voiced

www.theguardian.com

Tough terrain. Maybe we all need to be less certain and reflect more.

 

[Zatara]

I think you are supporting what looks very much like becoming a genocide Zatara.

1: Why are no other countries in the region helping the Palestinian people?

2: What action do you think Israel should have taken after the murders and subsequent kidnapping of 199 people?

3: Do you approve of Hamas stealing donations of medical supplies and money meant for civilians?

4: Why are protestors in the US chanting and marching death to jews just like the Nazis?

5: What is the reason were seeing Al Qaeda and ISIS flags in London?

6: What kind of person pulls down a poster of a kidnapped child?

At least they have dropped the facade of being 'anti-Israeli' not 'antisemitic'.

Honesty is the best policy.

Those people dont know how lucky they are. If they were in Iran, Syria, Russia or China (those supporting Hamas) acting in the same manner in a disorderly (at best) fashion in favour of a group those governments consider to be a terror organisation...they would be finished.

If these people believe in their 'cause' so much then I wonder if they would be willing to write their names onto a list online. All those sick anti semitic US students and 'protestors' in the UK....

...outing themselves. Surely they would be willing to do that?

Baffling statement this.

How can you be anything other than Anti-Israeli, its a Terrorist state that has committed mass murder on a huge scale for the last 50 or so Years.

What is it about this Country of murderous intent that impresses you so much?

Did you support Al Qaeda, Isis and the likes?

The amount of flags and symbols used by them can be seen during the "free palestine" marches.

The same ones with countless people ripping down posters of kidnapped children, chanting "death to jews" and the usual hatred being shouted about how "England is so bad".

When your 'protestors' are showing their true colours as 'useful idiots' then its time to believe what they show you.

Spare a thought for the innocent foreigners kidnapped from all over the world...the Thais, Filipinos, Brits, Americans and many more raped and murdered innocent people.

Or shout anti semitic chants in mobs and tear down posters or take selfies showing your middle finger at a poster of a kidnapped 2 year old.

When people see those ISIS and Al Qaeda flags with people marching and chanting death to Jews should they join in with them OR take a stand against them?

Hamas being a terrorist group in the UK should warrant its supporters being arrested -- there is a lot of hate speech and this seems to be being ignored by the police in the UK. Even stopping vans showing photos of kidnapped kids.

Would society be any worse if ALL of those commiting such crimes (and they are crimes) were removed from their daily lives and thrown in jail for a few years?

I dont think so.

Apartheid apologist

See anyone can throw silly names at people can’t they

Apartheid is what Israel and Palestine's neighbours are guilty of.

Certainly not Israel...to say so (as the disgusting and misinformed title of this thread shows) is clear ignorance of the middle east.

 

[Hinchcliffe's Corner]

It's no surprise that the people supporting Israel's shelling of a country are the same people who supported the shelling of Afghanistan and Iraq.

 

[Zatara]

Nearly 5000 Palestinian dead, the best part of 2000 of them children, and the IDF says it's increasing the intensity of its bombing campaign from tonight.

If you still support this, you are cheerleading genocide and you have entirely lost your moral compass.

However repulsive Hamas' actions were, and they were undoubtedly war crimes, they do not excuse or justify what Israel is doing.

Every world leader should be calling for a ceasefire and the immediate release of civilian hostages, and that many aren't, is disgraceful.

Could you direct me to similar posts you made against Hamas after they attacked?

Also what the point of a ceasefire with a terror group (that wants death and destruction) would be?

You think Hamas took hostages to just have a ceasefire later and give them back?

The problem of course is that people around the world look at their Jewish community or individuals as if they were Israel, hence attacks and stars of David painted on Jewish homes. There were 100,000 people supporting Palestine in London today, I don’t remember as many people protesting or supporting Jews when Hamas terrorists killed 1400 Jews for no reason……

Of those 100k people, how many of them will have committed these 'hate crimes' weve read about before?

How many were using or happy with those same Isis and Al Qaeda flags being waved?

If someone is chanting death to jews while waving one of those flags, are they not then classed as a supporter of a terror group?

Why are those 100k people allowed to do this?

It just seems a bit one sided…….

How can someone claim to support Palestinians and Ukrainians at the same time?

How can someone claim to hate ISIS and Al Qaeda but not see the clear comparisons with Hamas?

How can someone call Israel an apartheid state when ignoring the reality there and the actual apartheid countries surrounding them?

So many questions and countless more which will be deflected by the usual stupidity of "but Israel is bad" or other deflections and topic changes filled with hatred for an imaginary problem they have been brainwashed like sheep into believing...

Faced with beheadings, kidnap, murders and even the same ISIS and Al Qaeda flags and Nazi chants....still cant see the problem.

Unfortunately it’s usually young people and the older liberals. They get get caught up in the ‘cause’ without really thinking about both sides of the debate, you can see it in here…a) is bad, b) is good, yet this is all about the lives of ordinary people and whatever future they have…..

At some point they need to be classed and outed as supporters of terrorism or at the very least committing hate speech and hate crimes.

Surely you are far too educated to believe the above. No one has the right to kill on an unbelievable scale. Hamas did this in the full knowledge and indeed intention of drawing Israel into a wider conflict. This was not accidental, this was not a spur of the moment attack. This had been planned and thought about months or even a year in advance. Preparations were made, people were trained, arms were provided and missiles and delivery systems were produced. This was a very deliberate attack for a deliberate outcome. Unfortunately for Hamas the outcome is going to be elimination. Iran, which has put all this in place now has fewer options due to the USA stationing fleets in the area. Israel is more than capable of sorting out Iran on its own, and many of the surrounding countries will be happy to stay out of it. Just look at the Egyptian response. Iran and Hamas have screwed the Palestinians. We all want both sides to live together, but while Hamas exists that won’t happen…….

Magically a ceasefire would help the hostages as they would be instantly released in very good health by their kind captors.

Hamas would realise the error of their ways and devote their lives to rebuilding Gaza and helping the population...using their stolen billions and terror funds.

This love would spread to Hezbollah and other terrorists who would also be at peace with the world.

All countries in the region would open their door to the Palestinians and offer them homes or help to rebuild from the kindness of their hearts.

What a wonderful mind some people have...like a childrens storytale.

And what is your solution to get rid of Hamas…..

Be kind to them.

 

[Zatara]

Shouldn’t you be defending countries blowing kids up in illegal occupations you vile little rat

Surprised you never asked for Liverpool to bomb Young, Coleman, Keane and Dyche and seize their home and claim it as their own. Yer little turd

I'd like you to occupy the same space as the destination of an Isreali JDAM bomb.

Other nations weaponry systems are available..

For someone wanting a known and confirmed terror group destroyed to be met with posts like these on the Everton Only forum proves how valid their points are.

Others are clearly anti semitic and entirely one sided in their views.

"Death to Jews" they say behind a facade of 'only' a hatred for the one Jewish nation.

The Jewish nation that accepts other religions and races'.

How can the Nazi's have so much in common with these posters. Why do their posts echo those of Hamas?

These are not the people who want peace.

Why does the false title of this thread remain the same?

 

[Zatara]

Hamas fugitive lives in London borough with largest Jewish population

Muhammad Qassem Sawalha managed to steer clear of Israel's security services using a relative's passport and left for the UK in the 1990s, before later gaining British citizenship.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Wizard]

Best kill em young before they become terrorists and try to destroy Israel.

That's what Israel would say anyway the horrible gets. If one of Palestine or Israel needed to get wiped out for the good of humanity I think more and more people would be up for saying adieu to Israel.

Too many friends in high places though.

This is a horrendous take. Why are you even thinking about anyone being wiped out as if that is the route to sorting this issue out? That is not the way forward of how there might ever potentially be peace. I’m actually amazed that you’ve made it seem so basic as lots of people would be up for “saying adieu to Israel”.

 

[Toffeeslam]

1: Why are no other countries in the region helping the Palestinian people?

2: What action do you think Israel should have taken after the murders and subsequent kidnapping of 199 people?

3: Do you approve of Hamas stealing donations of medical supplies and money meant for civilians?

4: Why are protestors in the US chanting and marching death to jews just like the Nazis?

5: What is the reason were seeing Al Qaeda and ISIS flags in London?

6: What kind of person pulls down a poster of a kidnapped child?



Those people dont know how lucky they are. If they were in Iran, Syria, Russia or China (those supporting Hamas) acting in the same manner in a disorderly (at best) fashion in favour of a group those governments consider to be a terror organisation...they would be finished.

If these people believe in their 'cause' so much then I wonder if they would be willing to write their names onto a list online. All those sick anti semitic US students and 'protestors' in the UK....

...outing themselves. Surely they would be willing to do that?




Did you support Al Qaeda, Isis and the likes?

The amount of flags and symbols used by them can be seen during the "free palestine" marches.

The same ones with countless people ripping down posters of kidnapped children, chanting "death to jews" and the usual hatred being shouted about how "England is so bad".

When your 'protestors' are showing their true colours as 'useful idiots' then its time to believe what they show you.

Spare a thought for the innocent foreigners kidnapped from all over the world...the Thais, Filipinos, Brits, Americans and many more raped and murdered innocent people.

Or shout anti semitic chants in mobs and tear down posters or take selfies showing your middle finger at a poster of a kidnapped 2 year old.

When people see those ISIS and Al Qaeda flags with people marching and chanting death to Jews should they join in with them OR take a stand against them?

Hamas being a terrorist group in the UK should warrant its supporters being arrested -- there is a lot of hate speech and this seems to be being ignored by the police in the UK. Even stopping vans showing photos of kidnapped kids.

Would society be any worse if ALL of those commiting such crimes (and they are crimes) were removed from their daily lives and thrown in jail for a few years?

I dont think so.





Apartheid is what Israel and Palestine's neighbours are guilty of.

Certainly not Israel...to say so (as the disgusting and misinformed title of this thread shows) is clear ignorance of the middle east.

Mate human rights watch. D Amnesty International both respected human rights organisations have called Israel that so have Israeli charities themselves labelled Israel as an apartheid state.

I’ll think I’ll take their opinion over yours considering it’s their business whilst is to yours to defend Israel and disseminate misinformation to deflect.

Perhaps it’s you who does not understand the Middle East and needs and education as ur wide if the mark on almost everything on this.

Sad and pathetic really

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

I think it might all be getting a bit much for Zat. That's Holliday level multi-quoting.

 

[Hinchcliffe's Corner]

I think it might all be getting a bit much for Zat. That's Holliday level multi-quoting.

And delusion.

 

[Zatara]

Mate human rights watch. D Amnesty International both respected human rights organisations have called Israel that so have Israeli charities themselves labelled Israel as an apartheid state.

I’ll think I’ll take their opinion over yours considering it’s their business whilst is to yours to defend Israel and disseminate misinformation to deflect.

Perhaps it’s you who does not understand the Middle East and needs and education as ur wide if the mark on almost everything on this.

Sad and pathetic really

Clearly you dont know much about amnesty international either lol

 

[Zatara]

I'm a Palestinian. Hamas Alone Is Responsible for the Blood Shed in Gaza

Hamas is responsible for all the blood that has been shed and will continue to be shed during this war, full stop.

www.newsweek.com