Current Affairs Israel is an apartheid state

[Martin Alvito]

It does make me wonder who advised them to attack Israel in a such a way because the reasoning (for Gaza) is shown to be arguably very and clearly unsound.

The response to Gaza and Hamas has been devastating. Did the attack exceed expectations? Did those involve get 'carried away'? What response did they want?

Personally, as times goes on, it suggests that those who've orchestrated the assault behind the scenes probably do not care about Gaza, Hamas or Palestine.

They may be mere pawns in the wider game: stretching Israel economically, politically and in the world order; attempting to make them pariahs.

Are Israel going to come out of all this strong? I sincerely doubt, and there'll be countries who will benefit from that in the long-term.

I should just write a script that auto-likes your posts.

The initial attacks 100% make sense to me, at a strategic level. Palestine is off the agenda, and there's exactly one way to put it back there. What happened was inhuman and evil, but I get it.

If you accept that as the motivation, Hamas causing the suffering makes sense. Necessary evil to free the Gazans, casualties of war. Pawns, as you say. Even knights and bishops don't much matter, when it comes to broader objectives. Spending a rook is a commitment. Better work out.

I think Hamas cares, and deeply, but I also think that they're far more willing to sacrifice pieces than we would be. To them, they're just pieces, not humans.

 

[Milkman]

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Ew.

 

[Wat Tyler]

 

[Eggs]

Why do people like @Eggs @Yid4life @Zatara @TheFinnFan rightfully condemn the murder of 1300 innocent civilians by hamas terrorists but not condemn the murder of currently 3500 innocent civilians by the Israeli government?? I won’t even talk about the levelling of a city !

….one is a very sad consequence of the other. Israel was attacked, many young people slaughtered in a most vile manner because they were Jews. Hundreds more taken hostage and taken into Gaza to suffer unimaginable consequences. At this very moment there is a news conference being held by parents of children taken hostage by Hamas.

Whilst we all are United in recognising that barbaric act, i and many others understand the Israeli reaction. It’s not saying everybody shouldn’t be working at ways of resolving the conflict.

 

[Wat Tyler]

 

[Wat Tyler]

….one is a very sad consequence of the other. Israel was attacked, many young people slaughtered in a most vile manner because they were Jews. Hundreds more taken hostage and taken into Gaza to suffer unimaginable consequences. At this very moment there is a news conference being held by parents of children taken hostage by Hamas.

Whilst we all are United in recognising that barbaric act, i and many others understand the Israeli reaction. It’s not saying everybody shouldn’t be working at ways of resolving the conflict.

How can you say “Israel was attacked” like it came from nowhere, like it was because Hamas just felt like doing it for no reason. Israel has Palestine under illegal blockade. They have the Palestinians living as third class citizens in an apartheid state. They move in Israeli settlers on stolen Palestinian land and regularly kill Palestinian kids. All of this was happening BEFORE the Hamas attack last week. This is all happening because of Israel’s long term policies.

 

[Wat Tyler]

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

….one is a very sad consequence of the other. Israel was attacked, many young people slaughtered in a most vile manner because they were Jews. Hundreds more taken hostage and taken into Gaza to suffer unimaginable consequences. At this very moment there is a news conference being held by parents of children taken hostage by Hamas.

Whilst we all are United in recognising that barbaric act, i and many others understand the Israeli reaction. It’s not saying everybody shouldn’t be working at ways of resolving the conflict.

Ok, so Israel killing 3500 Innocent civilians (likely to get far, far higher) in reaction to terrorists killing 1300 civilians is ok? You see no issue with that?
You do realise the civilians were not involved!!?

If some British terrorists killed some French civilians you’d be happy that you and your town, family, and friends were targeted by the French government?

International law means nothing to you? The targetting of civilians and infrastructure is now fair game if some terrorists kill your people?

Mad as f***

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

It does make me wonder who advised them to attack Israel in a such a way because the reasoning (for Gaza) is shown to be arguably very and clearly unsound.

The response to Gaza and Hamas has been devastating. Did the attack exceed expectations? Did those involve get 'carried away'? What response did they want?

Personally, as times goes on, it suggests that those who've orchestrated the assault behind the scenes probably do not care about Gaza, Hamas or Palestine.

They may be mere pawns in the wider game: stretching Israel economically, politically and in the world order; attempting to make them pariahs.

Are Israel going to come out of all this strong? I sincerely doubt, and there'll be countries who will benefit from that in the long-term.

As you know, there is a plan in play for anything that destabilses the West, anything that paints us in a bad light, all the shoite that you see all around from the Syrian migrants to the current boat people to Brexit, the Tory's to Trump, Ukraine to Israel/Palestine- the nutters club below has their fingerprints all over it.

Some haven't grasped yet that we have been at war with these mafia bosses indirectly for the best part of two decades.

They have played the long game which being a dictator allows and puts us at a disadvantage and we are now seeing the next phase in their planning IMO. We are in a very dangerous position of which Ukraine is key. The issues in Israel and Gaza have now made the battle for Ukraine and global support for Ukraines liberty a bit more difficult because our leaders are being played and sucked into a trap.

 

[Zatara]

….so sad to hear a 12yo autistic girl and her grandmother taken hostage by Hamas have been found dead. I fear for the fate of the Israeli hostages, it’s good to see Western leaders taking the stance they are in their reasoned backing of Israel, whilst diplomatically trying to get aid into Gaza.

That’s disgusting. . What will Hamas killing innocent little girls and grandmothers achieve?

It seems they want Israel to attack and they are happy to let their own people die in the process.

….I heard a British woman diplomat sent to Gaza at around the same time Hamas came to power (2007?) and she said everything they tried to do in respect of building and improving schools and enhancing the lives of citizens was opposed and quashed by Hamas. They had no interest in improving the area.

Their paymasters, Iran, will be totally behind the conflict and the instability it is causing, sadly.

Russia, Iran's strategic partner is now gloating on their state run tv that this mess benefits Russian aims and is damaging their geopolitical foe, us/the West.

Sad mate. It sounds to me the best thing Palestinians could do is disassociate and get rid of Hamas, they are inflicting pain on their own people.

Aye, but they are being held captive on both sides. Since the Fatah–Hamas conflict of 2006, Hamas took power and stopped elections since then. So Palestinians in Gaza live under a terrorist mob gripping the region and Israeli blockade keeping them in. Its abloody awful situation.

Ive been middle fingered so much for stating the same views as above.

Hamas terrorists want Gaza to fail for multiple reasons -- the main couple being relevancy and money from Iran (currently $100mil+ per annum) and others.

They also want to keep Palestinians in poor conditions while pointing the blame at Israel so more people join them.

They have received enormous amounts of funding when they took over 'leadership' / control of Gaza. Israel were still being hit with rockets and the investment and donations people think go to improve things all clearly arent being used with good intentions.

Whether its autistic, old, young or anyone...whether beheaded or not...the unspeakable terror caused means they need to be destroyed...which has been the case for a long time.

 

[Charro]

They're not going to be destroyed.

If they are, another terrorist group will just replace them and probably be even worse.

Israel know this. They're going to completely destroy gaza and continue to kill thousands under the guise of destroying a group they know can not be destroyed.

This doesn't end in Hamas being destroyed and people in that area of the world living happily ever after. It ends in thousands of innocent people being massacred, the middle east becoming even more of a tinder box, and a rise in extremism across the globe.

Israel should focus on bringing back the hostages then ending this war.

 

[Zatara]

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She's absolutely lost the plot

On top of that, really reckon Hamas has the capacity to spend 'billions of dollars?'

When Hamas came into power there were funds 'given' to them to develop Gaza.

Iran has separately been sending funds to them for many, many years (2-3 years ago this reached $100mil in one year).

There have also been donations and suchlike from well meaning people.

Clearly the money hasnt gone where it was intended.

We can argue the toss about it until the cows come home, but it won’t change anything.

Hamas opened the gates to hell when they launched that attack on Israel. They would’ve known what was to come.

The US and its usual allies have given Israel their blessing (on our behalf) to flatten Gaza and there’s nothing we can do about it.

It’s all so hopeless, part of me just wants to log off the internet forever and pretend all of this isn’t happening.

Thats a fair summary.

….I can’t see Western leaders condemning Israeli attacks after the Hamas atrocities last week. There will be pressure applied in respect of aid and refugee corridors but the West wants Hamas destroyed and that is likely to come at a huge cost to Palestinians.

Western leaders are queueing up to visit Israel to show their support.

For all the pitchforks were seeing from the nearby countries (including attacking US embassies etc).

None of them have any desire to help Palestinians...same as Hamas. I find it odd that not one country is offering a way out to Palestinians.

Not to say what should be done or if anyone should leave their homes but even a proposal hasnt been mooted.

I’m glad you’ve posted this, because it shows you up to be exactly what you are.

You’ve wandered into this thread with virtually no previous knowledge of the conflict, picked a side and are now stood in your corner screaming at everyone with little concept of what you are even shouting about.

There’s no anti-Jew hatred in here. The one time that there was by that ‘from the eighties div’ he was called out pretty quickly and unanimously by virtually everyone on here and removed.

But you already know this, yet still peddle the lie that this is some how a race issue and not a humanitarian issue for the majority of people in here.

Honestly, it’s beyond pathetic from you.

You're clearly not being neutral or using any logic in this post.

You also simply cant speak for others as theyre strangers on the internet. Those who seemed to blame Israel for the terror attack, those who wanted to prove childred died not babies and that heads werent chopped off.

If thats not anti semetic what is it?

What do you say about the post a few pages back stating them to be the most hated nation/people on earth and comparing them to Nazis?

Depends what you consider to be anti semetic i suppose.

If you dont think I have any previous knowlege of the situation...its not exactly factual or unbiased to suggest...when you have no idea to the contrary.

 

[PhilM]

“Attempting to make them pariahs”? They already are, and this Israeli government deserves to be.

You've misinterpreted what I said. You say they are pariahs, but we have the likes of the US, UK and others giving pretty much unparalleled support. Are they?

My question is, can that last? Can Israel's almost predictable response maintain this relationship when they're reverting to an almost bludgeoning slaughter?

When the ground offensive goes in, it's going to be very costly for the civilians of Gaza, and I really don't know how long that support can last under that strain.

Thousands more civilians dying, which is what's going to happen, won't sit well. There, at that point, they may start to become real pariahs or at least a souring.

Then you then have the likes of Saudi, UAE, Jordan and Egypt, who've been cautious with their comments; Saudi Arabia has been trying to underpin a deal.

Again, I can't see that being as likely since this whole crisis occurred, so potentially setting back what could have been a move to stability in the region.

Some may insinuate that no external players have manipulated the likes of Hamas, but I'd say that's naive. Is the response by Palestinians unexpected?

No. Israel has caused immeasurable harm to Gaza, The West Bank et al. for many years now, so on some levels I can 'understand' the rational to the attack.

But the cataclysmic response by Israel is itself unexpected, so for me, it points to others (say, Iran) who will benefit from this crisis more than most.

 

[GoldenToffee]

Destroying mosques too in missile attacks. Another war crime. Nobody will be held to account though. Two hospitals targeted, one fully destroyed. There are no words for their barbarity. I hope their country pays a huge price for this in years to come.

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

Why do people like @Eggs @Yid4life @Zatara @TheFinnFan rightfully condemn the murder of 1300 innocent civilians by hamas terrorists but not condemn the murder of currently 3500 innocent civilians by the Israeli government?? I won’t even talk about the levelling of a city !

@Zatara