Current Affairs Israel is an apartheid state

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If this werent such a serious topic id actually laugh at this and other opinions in the thread.

Israel informs people to leave buildings.

Hamas targets civilians and regularly murders their own with the rockets they use.

A few days ago the actual deaths were put at 20-30 killed by stray Hamas rockets...though it could be far more.

Weve also seen posters claiming war crimes and genocide along with silencing the media for israeli forces targeting a building within which the press knew Hamas operated.

Cant make this stuff up.

Its like some of you are either brainwashed or just dont look into this stuff.

The problem you have Zat is that, frankly, you are full of crap.

You claimed that Israel doesn't hit civilian targets, then go on to say thats because they told the civilians to leave the targets before they blew them up.

You claim that article says the press knew Hamas operated in the building, but nowhere in the article in question does it say that Hamas did operate there - the below is a cut and paste from the original article in the Atlantic that the Daily Mail story you cited as evidence partially quoted from.

When Hamas’s leaders surveyed their assets before this summer’s round of fighting, they knew that among those assets was the international press. The AP staff in Gaza City would witness a rocket launch right beside their office, endangering reporters and other civilians nearby—and the AP wouldn’t report it, not even in AP articles about Israeli claims that Hamas was launching rockets from residential areas. (This happened.) Hamas fighters would burst into the AP’s Gaza bureau and threaten the staff—and the AP wouldn’t report it. (This also happened.) Cameramen waiting outside Shifa Hospital in Gaza City would film the arrival of civilian casualties and then, at a signal from an official, turn off their cameras when wounded and dead fighters came in, helping Hamas maintain the illusion that only civilians were dying. (This too happened; the information comes from multiple sources with firsthand knowledge of these incidents.)

Colford, the AP spokesman, confirmed that armed militants entered the AP’s Gaza office in the early days of the war to complain about a photo showing the location of a rocket launch, though he said that Hamas claimed that the men “did not represent the group.” The AP “does not report many interactions with militias, armies, thugs or governments,” he wrote. “These incidents are part of the challenge of getting out the news—and not themselves news.”

So you can make it up, because people like you are.
 
The problem you have Zat is that, frankly, you are full of crap.

You claimed that Israel doesn't hit civilian targets, then go on to say thats because they told the civilians to leave the targets before they blew them up.

You claim that article says the press knew Hamas operated in the building, but nowhere in the article in question does it say that Hamas did operate there - the below is a cut and paste from the original article in the Atlantic that the Daily Mail story you cited as evidence partially quoted from.



So you can make it up, because people like you are.
There’s having a different viewpoint then there’s defending genocide and calling people ‘sheep’ Thoroughly rotten individual.
 
No. I’m not sure that any modern state sets out to murder innocent civilians but some will ensure that their actions don’t. Unlike in this case.

You didn’t answer the question btw.

Your response doesnt warrant a reply. Its so amazingly bizarre it defies reality.


The problem you have Zat is that, frankly, you are full of crap.

You claimed that Israel doesn't hit civilian targets, then go on to say thats because they told the civilians to leave the targets before they blew them up.

You claim that article says the press knew Hamas operated in the building, but nowhere in the article in question does it say that Hamas did operate there - the below is a cut and paste from the original article in the Atlantic that the Daily Mail story you cited as evidence partially quoted from.



So you can make it up, because people like you are.

I believe its 'strongly implied' in the link i sent as well as the original article that Hamas were in the building and regularly threatening the Associated Press -- who didnt report it....because (implied) Hamas were in the same building as them and they were fearful of any consequences.

I mean how can you not read between the lines here?!

It seems like you believe the Palestinian propaganda machine that the Israeli's destroyed a building for nothing but to turn the press against them.

Hardly likely. Especially as Al Jazeera for example are from Qatar who are relatively friendly with the Israeli's.
 
Your response doesnt warrant a reply. Its so amazingly bizarre it defies reality



You calling something bizarre is so rich, Anna Nicole Smith would have married it.

I'd like to think on some level you watch those videos of weeping kids and the complete destruction surrounding them and have some deep inkling of what is actually happening. But I actually don't think you do because you have never posted anything that would suggest you're anything utter than a basement-dwelling weirdo
 
Where'd you get that reliable number, the IDF twitter feed? Now want us to believe that people are only dying because Hamas are bombing themselves.

Get in the bin you tremendous knobhead.

I dont WANT you to believe anything.

Im NOT trying to discuss anything with someone who has been brainwashed.

...at BEST youre a rude and obnoxious person who literally has no knowledge on the subject hes insulting me about...

You calling something bizarre is so rich, Anna Nicole Smith would have married it.

I'd like to think on some level you watch those videos of weeping kids and the complete destruction surrounding them and have some deep inkling of what is actually happening. But I actually don't think you do because you have never posted anything that would suggest you're anything utter than a basement-dwelling weirdo

Written by someone who supports Hamas.

Youre some nasty peace of work.
 
I dont WANT you to believe anything.

Im NOT trying to discuss anything with someone who has been brainwashed.

...at BEST youre a rude and obnoxious person who literally has no knowledge on the subject hes insulting me about...



Written by someone who supports Hamas.

Youre some nasty peace of work.

Have Israel done anything wrong?
 
I dont WANT you to believe anything.

Im NOT trying to discuss anything with someone who has been brainwashed.

...at BEST youre a rude and obnoxious person who literally has no knowledge on the subject hes insulting me about...



Written by someone who supports Hamas.

Youre some nasty peace of work.


Yeah Zat, I'm pro Hamas and get all my updates from Hamasblog.org. Stop embarrassing yourself ffs, don't you get tired of looking like a complete idiot all the time?
 
I believe its 'strongly implied' in the link i sent as well as the original article that Hamas were in the building and regularly threatening the Associated Press -- who didnt report it....because (implied) Hamas were in the same building as them and they were fearful of any consequences.

I mean how can you not read between the lines here?!

It seems like you believe the Palestinian propaganda machine that the Israeli's destroyed a building for nothing but to turn the press against them.

Hardly likely. Especially as Al Jazeera for example are from Qatar who are relatively friendly with the Israeli's.

Strongly implied?

For a start - the bloke was slating AP for being too close to Hamas; surely if Hamas were based in the same building as AP he would have said so - it would have massively helped his case. Nor does it imply it either, at all - saying they "burst into" the office implies they came from outside, not the office next to the loo.

As for the rest, as I said on the day it happened this is not a matter of believing "Palestinian propaganda" - its simple logic.

If you believe you are justified bombing a civilian target (as that was - not even you have tried to claim AP weren't based there) then it is because of military necessity. If you give them (and your targets) an hours' warning, then there is no military necessity left - the military target you want to hit will have sodded off by that point. That is what the war crime is here.
 
Dress this up however you like . This is the Oppressor v The Oppressed
I dont WANT you to believe anything.

Im NOT trying to discuss anything with someone who has been brainwashed.
And there you have it really. Doesn’t want us to believe Israel’s actions are justified or that they have not been oppressing innocent Palestinian civilians for decades. Not bothered.
We have been trying to discuss this with someone who has been brainwashed but sadly to no avail.
 
Have Israel done anything wrong?

Everyone involved has aside from BOTH the innocent people on the Palestinian and Israeli sides.

Strongly implied?

For a start - the bloke was slating AP for being too close to Hamas; surely if Hamas were based in the same building as AP he would have said so - it would have massively helped his case. Nor does it imply it either, at all - saying they "burst into" the office implies they came from outside, not the office next to the loo.

As for the rest, as I said on the day it happened this is not a matter of believing "Palestinian propaganda" - its simple logic.

If you believe you are justified bombing a civilian target (as that was - not even you have tried to claim AP weren't based there) then it is because of military necessity. If you give them (and your targets) an hours' warning, then there is no military necessity left - the military target you want to hit will have sodded off by that point. That is what the war crime is here.

Im so amazed you think a war crime is informing people in a building that youre going to destroy it due to terrorists operating inside (or another military reason) and giving them ample time to leave.

That is not a war crime...

Amnesty International

"Even if part of a building is being used for military purposes Israeli authorities have an obligation to choose means and methods of attack that would minimize risks posed to civilians and their property," Higazi added.

Similarly, B'Tselem, a leading Israeli human rights group, in a tweet said, "Bombing apartment towers, which are not a military target and leaving dozens of families homeless, is a war crime."



Clearly theyve taken steps to minimise risk to civilians AND stated there are military targets inside.

Theres no other way for them to take out the military targets other than a ground assault.

Theyre not blowing up buildings for the sake of it. If they were then they certainly wouldnt be giving advanced notice.
 
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