Current Affairs Israel is an apartheid state

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Nothing to see here. This is not just on Israel imo. Its on every leader who rush to declare their support over the first few days and giving the green light to these acts with their initial statements.

They have blood on their hands.

This act is entirely on the Israeli government, and they should face criminal sanctions for it. For the western leaders who expressed support, what is important is how they react to this - if it is to continue the meaningless platitudes, then they should also face sanctions. They have to demand a ceasefire, right now, with the threat of no further aid and ceasing diplomatic ties if not complied with.
 
So what we expecting of the Biden visit? PR stunt or actual change? Will he stop the murder and move the ships out?

I think he will calm it down. The ships will remain in case Iran tries something else. No rational person wants to see this explode apart from Iran and the Hamas leaders living in luxury elsewhere…..
 
Politics Dave.

There are no good guys.
There are the less bad guys though. And Starmer is set to be one of the worst of the bad guys.

I honestly don't think there's an appreciation of just how outrageously right wing Starmer is. Those people will be disabused of their naivety VERY quickly after the official Tories are toppled next year.
 
Are you seriously saying that you would want the Israeli population to suffer because of the cretins running Hamas and the Israeli government…seriously……
yes [Poor language removed] them they’ve happily sat by and let their government treat them Palestinians like less than nothing for decades now and now all this on top of it no sympathy for them what so ever
 
Are you seriously saying that you would want the Israeli population to suffer because of the cretins running Hamas and the Israeli government…seriously……
What about the 700.000 settlers building illegally on Palestinian land? They are doing so by choice.

How about silence equalling complicity? The millions of Israelis are well aware of the conditions and suffering of the Gaza people but chose to remain silent.

This isnt just about Bibi.

However, they should not suffer, if only they felt the same towards their neighbours (hosts).
 
yes [Poor language removed] them they’ve happily sat by and let their government treat them Palestinians like less than nothing for decades now and now all this on top of it no sympathy for them what so ever

I feel sorry for you, for having a hatred against a people who you probably don’t know and who just like the Palestinians just want to live their lives in peace…..
 
What about the 700.000 settlers building illegally on Palestinian land? They are doing so by choice.

How about silence equalling complicity? The millions of Israelis are well aware of the conditions and suffering of the Gaza people but chose to remain silent.

This isnt just about Bibi.

TBF it is mostly about Bibi - he is the one who has stoked this for years, back before Rabin was murdered.
 
What about the 700.000 settlers building illegally on Palestinian land? They are doing so by choice.

How about silence equalling complicity? The millions of Israelis are well aware of the conditions and suffering of the Gaza people but chose to remain silent.

This isnt just about Bibi.
There are plenty who don't remain silent, but the government has done everything possible to marginalise them for the last 20 years.
 
they boasted themselves that they have the bigger stuff and will engage...after that the tragedy happened. Dont know it could be either way. War is hell. All I know they should have evacuated days ago as Israel demanded.
As there is nowhere for them to go/stay it is being reported that many are returning home. It is either an increbily ill thought out tactic or incredibly evil, possibly both.
 
As there is nowhere for them to go/stay it is being reported that many are returning home. It is either an increbily ill thought out tactic or incredibly evil, possibly both.

If they'd let food, fuel and water in via the Rafah crossing then not only would people have stayed in the South, more people would have gone there when they thought it was safe.

They've not done that.
 
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