Not quite, more like Sleeping Giant?
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Stuartisitc1878
Player Valuation: £30m
we're a big club - we just aren't relevant anymore
Toffeeslam
Player Valuation: £40m
Are you Tony Cascarino in disguise ?
Of course we are and join st look at our history to prove that. We have lost our way and football has changed and due to boardroom failures we haven’t adapted as well as other clubs and got left behind.
But we are still a big club and muppets like Cascarino can never change that
We're not a big club anymore anyway.
Clearly.
Deckard2049
Player Valuation: £15m
The correct answer. Anytime we’re spoken about in the media we are always referred to as essentially one of the biggest clubs HISTORICALLY in the country. So yes we’re a big club. But so are Nottingham Forest. And let’s be objective and honest about this, when all you’re relying on is your history to stay relevant then you’re taking a page out of a certain other clubs book.
The big issue we have is that the next generation of players have seen us win sweet F all and to them (if they even acknowledge us at all) we have been a perennially steady if unspectacular club over the last decade and more. We have to be honest and realistic about our position. We should sell ourselves as a development club and target the best young players and try and do something with them before allowing them to leave for big fees. Promise them years of game time under the tutelage of a promising manager (the one we get after Fat Sam obviously). We did this with Stones and Lukaku but unfortunately we messed up in our subsequent recruitment. Despite appointing Steve Walsh our scouting/recruitment seems miles behind other premier league clubs. That needs to sorted by January.
I'm glad you've come to terms with it. Would do a lot of our fans the world of good if they could too.
davids
Player Valuation: £70m
When you think Portsmouth and Wigan have won the cup more recently than us it puts it in perspective.
APN_EFC
Player Valuation: £25m
I agree - best of the rest was a good stepping stone to the 'next level'.
Look back a few years, and we were definitely 'bigger' than chelsea, man city and tottenham - not in terms of recent success so much, but on potential
Then later, the fact we were consistently top 8, meant we were definitely best of the rest.
Now that Man City, THFC, and Chelsea are clearly ahead of us, the only claim we have of being a big club is still in the fact that we are the 4th most successful in terms of league titles, after LFC, Man U and Arsenal.
That's still a big deal, but unfortunately we are almost 30 years away from our last real success and 22 years from the FA Cup, and now we definitely have players, and managers too, who are not old enough to remember a modern successful everton side. It's the same situation with Man U and Liverpool - people would rather move to Man City and Chelsea, because they don't know or care about the history and would rather follow current success and money.
We used to be a model for others to follow - Moyes and steady financial growth meant we were what West Brom, Newcastle, Sunderland etc used to think they could emulate.
Now, we have to either emulate Tottenham , for which we need to be lucky with a great manager, or Chelsea / Man City, for which we need enough money to run a country.
So what's the third way? I think it has to be a measured strategy
Good scouting, an excellent plan for tactics and development, good marketing selling the local, unique character of the club and copies of a few different models:
What has worked in Southampton, Seville and Atletico in recent years? Clubs at different levels but who have some stability at their own levels.
Then we have to think big of the most successful teams:
Think of Germany as well - how they developed in the 90s and 00s to become the team they are today - homegrown, conveyor belt of talent
Think of Barcelona and the academy. Can't we make our academy the most attractive in the North West, without money?
We should be totally ambitious, but we need to rebuild from top to bottom
Look back a few years, and we were definitely 'bigger' than chelsea, man city and tottenham - not in terms of recent success so much, but on potential
Then later, the fact we were consistently top 8, meant we were definitely best of the rest.
Now that Man City, THFC, and Chelsea are clearly ahead of us, the only claim we have of being a big club is still in the fact that we are the 4th most successful in terms of league titles, after LFC, Man U and Arsenal.
That's still a big deal, but unfortunately we are almost 30 years away from our last real success and 22 years from the FA Cup, and now we definitely have players, and managers too, who are not old enough to remember a modern successful everton side. It's the same situation with Man U and Liverpool - people would rather move to Man City and Chelsea, because they don't know or care about the history and would rather follow current success and money.
We used to be a model for others to follow - Moyes and steady financial growth meant we were what West Brom, Newcastle, Sunderland etc used to think they could emulate.
Now, we have to either emulate Tottenham , for which we need to be lucky with a great manager, or Chelsea / Man City, for which we need enough money to run a country.
So what's the third way? I think it has to be a measured strategy
Good scouting, an excellent plan for tactics and development, good marketing selling the local, unique character of the club and copies of a few different models:
What has worked in Southampton, Seville and Atletico in recent years? Clubs at different levels but who have some stability at their own levels.
Then we have to think big of the most successful teams:
Think of Germany as well - how they developed in the 90s and 00s to become the team they are today - homegrown, conveyor belt of talent
Think of Barcelona and the academy. Can't we make our academy the most attractive in the North West, without money?
We should be totally ambitious, but we need to rebuild from top to bottom
Papa Shango
Player Valuation: £70m
No.
There are not many "big clubs" around.
Depends what you judge being a big club on. But realistically big means the club with the most money.
There are not many "big clubs" around.
Depends what you judge being a big club on. But realistically big means the club with the most money.
GwladysBlue
Player Valuation: £70m
Not anymore. We’re your average run-of-the-mill club.
Yarrgh
Player Valuation: £80m
Imagine writing about Everton in the foreign press for a reader there who has no knowledge of Everton. That's what they would write.
We are a club in peril, with a new owner who whilst showing ambition has delivered nothing but crisis. He has been investigated by the BBC over his business dealings in his takeover of Everton, and there remain serious questions if he is actually the man in charge.
Our current stadium is decrepit and was even a few years ago, in question as to its safety certificate by our very own chairman. A new stadium is dependent on local government funding where the council is notoriously in charge of scant resources for one of the most deprived areas, and has to take into consideration, being built on what is a dock full of water with inadequate infrastructure as (supposedly-well apart from his tweets where is the evidence?) designed by a designer who designed the Roma stadium which has run into all sorts of problems. Infrastructure build is dependent on revival of the entire local area - something that has not happened in all the years it has been talked about.
And then they would talk about a 6 week search for a manager, and our inability to find anyone, yet create rancour with the likes of Watford. And then after stringing the U23 coach out to dry and ruin his standing in the club (I feel sorry for Unsworth by the way - this is the worst thing to feel in football, you might as well write an obituary if the only thing you have is sympathy), only to bring in disgraced manager Fat Scam. The write about the team and how we had initially produced what on the face of it, several good signings if overpriced, and some strange ones like Rooney, and then sold our main striker and not replaced him or even looked at strengthening our weak spots in defence or wide players. Then they'd say not even the manager Koeman could get a tune out of this mob of mercenaries. Talk of failures on the pitch would about domestic and European competitions.
I think Johan in Germany would have a good read over that over his coffee and think that we were a classic example of the excesses and hubris of the Premier League destroying what was good about a once venerable club and be amazed that it was allowed to happen.
Boo Everton! Booooo!
gonetomorrow
Player Valuation: £80m
Everton sure is a big club but so are Wolves, Leeds, Villa and Forest and it didn't help them falling down through bad management making poor decisions.
What we've got above the rest is mystique, whatever that's worth. That'll be a comfort on the motorway down to Bristol City.
What we've got above the rest is mystique, whatever that's worth. That'll be a comfort on the motorway down to Bristol City.
...oh dear.
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