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EXCL Jacob Rees-Mogg also says the Republic of Ireland should leave the single market and customs union to ensure the NI border stays open after Brexitpoliticshome.com/news/uk/defenc…
1:02 pm - 15 Mar 2018
Someone needs to tell this tit that it will simply not happen. But he probably knows that anyway and wants someone else to blame for not fixing the problem he and his cronies have created. The bare faced cheek of him.
 
Do you think he'd like all of Europe to leave as well and form a new entity? We could call it the British Empire or something.
I am undecided if he is just provoking or genuinely believes that is a valid proposal.

Viewed alongside the apparent suggestion by Westminster that we will have to sign a register to drive in our own country, I honestly don’t know whether to laugh or cry.
 
What about an embeded chip?

I am undecided if he is just provoking or genuinely believes that is a valid proposal.

Viewed alongside the apparent suggestion by Westminster that we will have to sign a register to drive in our own country, I honestly don’t know whether to laugh or cry.
 
So it looks like May has agreed to the backstop proposal and in the absence of another solution for the Border, Northern Ireland would effectively remain within the EU customs union.

The DUP won't be happy.

Edit. when I say 'agreed', it's more like reiterated what she agreed to in December.

Exactly. You literally couldn't make this stuff up.

So all the histrionics of recent weeks was a pantomime for the media>!?!
 
Exactly. You literally couldn't make this stuff up.

So all the histrionics of recent weeks was a pantomime for the media>!?!

My concern is that there are quite clear challenges we face, both as a country as a whole but especially certain parts of the country. I don't think many would dispute that. We need to enable local councils to respond more rapidly to changes in population (as labour mobility is a very good thing). We need to help those people who have been on the wrong end of globalisation and automation, especially in post-industrial towns where support has been woeful for too long.

These are challenges I think most people accept, but before and after the vote, it's been like the blame for these situations was placed on the EU, and once we left everything will be grand. Trust in institutions, whether the media, government or employers is already pretty low, and I can't help but feel people have been sold a turkey, and that can have profound implications on trust levels that were already very low. It creates a fertile hunting ground for vile creatures like Tommy Robinson.

I think the Tories hoped that they would be the backstop, that they could blame the 'other' (ie the EU) and the country would still retain a shred of normality even as they bungle from cock up to cock up. My fear is that they won't be the backstop at all, and once they let down the people for whom they promised much, they'll gift wrap them into the hands of those even more extreme than they are.
 
I think Northern Ireland staying in customs union and having a foot in both the EU and the UK could be very lucrative for us. The DUP seem to preoccupied trying to be ultra British that they can't see a good thing when it is staring them in the face.

It's just in their DNA. "Ulster says No" and all that......
 
I think Northern Ireland staying in customs union and having a foot in both the EU and the UK could be very lucrative for us. The DUP seem to preoccupied trying to be ultra British that they can't see a good thing when it is staring them in the face.
yea, it's a no brainer. I'd go as far as to say it would help NI remain part of the UK for a long time. So, really it's in the interests of unionists to remain part of the common market.
Cant see Scottish nationalists being too impressed tho!
 
yea, it's a no brainer. I'd go as far as to say it would help NI remain part of the UK for a long time. So, really it's in the interests of unionists to remain part of the common market.
Cant see Scottish nationalists being too impressed tho!

Have I missed something? If NI has an open border/customs union with the EU, why doesnt the UK?
 
Have I missed something? If NI has an open border/customs union with the EU, why doesnt the UK?
I think what they are proposing is a customs border along the Irish Sea with NI remaining in the European economic area. That is, if May and her cronies cant propose an acceptable border solution.
So NI would remain part of the UK but in a different market. Messy, but sure it's always been messy!
 
I think what they are proposing is a customs border along the Irish Sea with NI remaining in the European economic area. That is, if May and her cronies cant propose an acceptable border solution.
So NI would remain part of the UK but in a different market. Messy, but sure it's always been messy!

It makes sense to me that.
 
I see the U.K./ROI common travel area agreement has been recognised and also the ability for the U.K. and ROI to negotiate bilaterally. So people walking or driving over the border is not an issue. The issue of goods will no doubt be resolved when we do the main deal.......
 
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