Current Affairs Irish Border and Brexit
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peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
You may not have been but the U.K. was still in a transition period and under EU law until 31st December 2020.
When did the United Kingdom leave the European Union?
31 December: The information on this page has been updated on the basis of the agreement on the new partnership between the European Union and the United Kingdom. The Dutch government is currently analysing the agreement in more detail. This means that the information on this website may change...
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The true high kings?He is serious about getting rid of Roscommon though, Barney
peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
Too late mate, everyone on here wants a United Ireland, although many think that it’s the North joining the South when it may actually be the other way around. Either way bills and debt have to be paid.....just look at the U.K. leaving the EU...and we didn’t even have any shared debt......
You may not have been but the U.K. was still in a transition period and under EU law until 31st December 2020.
When did the United Kingdom leave the European Union?
31 December: The information on this page has been updated on the basis of the agreement on the new partnership between the European Union and the United Kingdom. The Dutch government is currently analysing the agreement in more detail. This means that the information on this website may change...
England has never been “under EU law”.
Barnfred 55
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To be fair I had to google it Khal. And I'm still no better informed as to why Prev would want to discard it.He is serious about getting rid of Roscommon though, Barney
To be fair I had to google it Khal. And I'm still no better informed as to why Prev would want to discard it.
If you were ever in Roscommon, or met someone from Roscommon, you'd understand
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Thanks for that. It was a good read that I think confirms what I was saying, albeit a bit more optimistic than I was portraying, which is understandable given that their purpose of existence is promoting the idea of Irish unity.Some exploratory reading for you, health warning on the source granted.
The issue for me isn't just the initial drain on Irish resources that the North will bring, it is the amount of investment that will be required to bring it up to speed, following decades of neglect from Westminster and in house fighting between their own politicians. Plus don't be surprised if Westminster ask you to take on a portion of the UK debt. In this regard it is almost a mini version of the EU in that it can't be seen to be too lenient with NI given Scotland, and quite possibly Wales, may follow similar paths thereafter.
There is also all the logistical changes to implement, like those horrible road signs Prev referred to and sadly the possibility that unity may provoke political upheaval from some sectors and the return of violence.
I just think Irish Unity will represent an initial big hit on their countries finances, but the majority of Irish would seemingly accept that if it meant a unified country again. Which is absolutely fine by the way and I can fully understand their feelings. I just think it's wrong that they should then criticise British people who have done something similar by putting ideology ahead of the countries finances.
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Is it a bit like the Wirral
peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
Prev is from Roscommon......
I don’t really think Brexit and Irish Unity are comparable in this context as one was a political decision and the other righting a historical wrong.
Agreed there is a lot of work to do regarding what a United Ireland will look like and of course funding is a big one. A few things to note though, the South of Ireland already funds several things in the North, the continuation of the Erasmus scheme and the EHIC being the most recent. The power network is already all-Ireland and health services are increasingly intertwined (Southern ambulances assisting in the North over Christmas for example). My point being, it may not be such a dramatic change as you may think.
The U.K. would still also have continued responsibility for pensions for a generation of Northern workers.
And of course, the EU. As @Prevenger17 explained previously, Ireland North and South had real tangible benefits of EU membership through huge infrastructure funding etc. It is not unreasonable to think that the EU would similarly support a new unified country to help it establish.
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The UK's disintegration could look like the old Soviet state's dissolution: the ceding back of power to independent nations (the Baltic states, the Caucuses etc with the latter; Scotland and Ireland and maybe even Wales with the former). The headache that the periphery gives to the centre not being seen as worth the struggle to hold on to them.
You'd have to be a bit daft not to see the direction of travel post-Brexit. The English regions are looking increasingly for their own identity and resources to govern too, and a sense of Britishness is in decline. The Covid emergency has accelerated that process. In terms of N.I. - those still arguing for the Union will be like those old Communist Party members congregating in Red Square every now and then, getting frost-bitten and forlornly demanding the return to Stalinism.
You'd have to be a bit daft not to see the direction of travel post-Brexit. The English regions are looking increasingly for their own identity and resources to govern too, and a sense of Britishness is in decline. The Covid emergency has accelerated that process. In terms of N.I. - those still arguing for the Union will be like those old Communist Party members congregating in Red Square every now and then, getting frost-bitten and forlornly demanding the return to Stalinism.
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