Current Affairs Irish Border and Brexit

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Mark O'Silver said:
That penny is beginning to drop that they picked the wrong horse in this race and that their Union would have been better protected if they had backed Remain.

It's going to be hilarious watching them trying to squirm their way out of this mess with their own electorate in the coming weeks and months. The next Jeffrey Donaldson interview by Mark Carruthers is going to be as unmissable as the last one was.
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I linked an article here today from Sky News suggesting civil unrest by unionists isn't off the table to influence all this. The DUP have said they'd do all they can to wreck this deal and you wonder what signals that sends out.
 
davek said:
I linked an article here today from Sky News suggesting civil unrest by unionists isn't off the table to influence all this. The DUP have said they'd do all they can to wreck this deal and you wonder what signals that sends out.
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Well, a loyalist paramilitary type was on Nolan TV show the other night and he said he had been holding meetings with Unionist politicians.

Nolan asked him what they talked about and he refused to answer.

Their problems are twofold though.

First up they no longer have a rabble rousing demagogue like Paisley to raise their blood.

And secondly, the mood in Brexit Britain is very much to get 6 of 9 out if its hair and any shenanigans on the streets of Belfast or Ballymena will be met with indifference at best or an acceleration of the final English withdrawal from Ireland at worst.
 
Khalekan said:
Well, a loyalist paramilitary type was on Nolan TV show the other night and he said he had been holding meetings with Unionist politicians.

Nolan asked him what they talked about and he refused to answer.

Their problems are twofold though.

First up they no longer have a rabble rousing demagogue like Paisley to raise their blood.

And secondly, the mood in Brexit Britain is very much to get 6 of 9 out if its hair and any shenanigans on the streets of Belfast or Ballymena will be met with indifference at best or an acceleration of the final English withdrawal from Ireland at worst.
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Maybe so Khal but I hope and pray that we don't see any return to violence and innocent victims.

So much has been achieved since the ceasefires in 94 albeit the two Governments sat on their hands for 18 months leading to Canary Wharf.

98 and the GFA took incredible work from many heroic people to deliver and everything should be done to ensure that the fragile gift of peace remains unbroken.

I have to admit that I am very anxious about the coming months as GB politicians seem oblivious to how deadly serious the consequences could be in the north if this goes wrong.
 
Khalekan said:
Well, a loyalist paramilitary type was on Nolan TV show the other night and he said he had been holding meetings with Unionist politicians.
Nolan asked him what they talked about and he refused to answer.
Their problems are twofold though.
First up they no longer have a rabble rousing demagogue like Paisley to raise their blood.
And secondly, the mood in Brexit Britain is very much to get 6 of 9 out if its hair and any shenanigans on the streets of Belfast or Ballymena will be met with indifference at best or an acceleration of the final English withdrawal from Ireland at worst.
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What a great description that is, btw.
 
Bluerover said:
Maybe so Khal but I hope and pray that we don't see any return to violence and innocent victims.

So much has been achieved since the ceasefires in 94 albeit the two Governments sat on their hands for 18 months leading to Canary Wharf.

98 and the GFA took incredible work from many heroic people to deliver and everything should be done to ensure that the fragile gift of peace remains unbroken.

I have to admit that I am very anxious about the coming months as GB politicians seem oblivious to how deadly serious the consequences could be in the north if this goes wrong.
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We can all concur with that sentiment, Blue.

But the era of mass mobilisation of loyalist bully boys peaked in 1974 when the Ulster Workers Council strike, organised by mainstream Unionist politicians and paramilitaries brought about the end of the Sunningdale Agreement power sharing Executive.

Since then the government of the day has faced down their threats.

Three years later in 1977 they tried striking again but the Brits were ready for them and it petered out.

Paisley stood outside Belfast City Hall and guldered “ULSTER SAYS NO” in front of 50,000 people in 1986 but Thatcher and Fitzgerald ignored him.

And so it goes.....they were faced down at Drumcree and other contentious parades.....The Good Friday Agreement was signed against a backdrop of impotent DUP rage and they threatened all sorts over the fleg protest a few years ago but still the Union Jack does not fly over the City Hall except for designated days.

Johnson’s deal is a very good deal for NI......and most unionists are savvy enough to realise this and cock a deaf ‘un to DUP demagoguery.

Sammy Tache is no Ian Paisley when it comes to boiling the blood of uber loyal Ulstermen :)
 
Bluerover said:
Maybe so Khal but I hope and pray that we don't see any return to violence and innocent victims.

So much has been achieved since the ceasefires in 94 albeit the two Governments sat on their hands for 18 months leading to Canary Wharf.

98 and the GFA took incredible work from many heroic people to deliver and everything should be done to ensure that the fragile gift of peace remains unbroken.

I have to admit that I am very anxious about the coming months as GB politicians seem oblivious to how deadly serious the consequences could be in the north if this goes wrong.
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You'll remember the reaction of 'Sell Out' and 'Betrayal' which followed the Anglo-Irish Agreement in 1986 signed by Arlene's political hero Maggie Thatcher. That led to the formation of Ulster Resistance led by the the good Doctor NO and the import of arms which were passed on to loyalist paramilitaries and then used to kill many innocent people. All because it gave the Republic 'a say' in the internal affairs of NI, albeit a tiny one.

That was small fry in comparison to the changes in Johnson's bill, which are undeniably a step on the road to Irish unity which the DUP and others in Unionism have been so dead set against for decades now. It would be naive in the extreme to think that they will take this lying down. There is bound to be an orchestrated campaign of civil disobedience at the very minimum; we can only hope it doesn't escalate any further into actual violence.

As many of us have been saying since the start of this process, it was impossible for the British government to properly implement Brexit while still upholding their obligations under the GFA, and if they did it would in turn upset Unionism. It remains the circle that couldn't be squared. There only ever was and still is one guaranteed way of maintaining peace and stability, and that is the preservation of the status quo, i.e. no Brexit.
 
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