Carl O'Ancelotti
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It's always been the Republic's problem, much more than you ever hear about in Britain.
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I'd say it was a historical Unionist / UK tory problem.
Unlike say Gibraltar, where 90+% voted to remain under UK rule.
Or The Falklands when, imo, pre Thatcher, if Argentina had asked the Labour Govt of day, they probably paid them to take it over (pre oil on the continental shelf anyway)
If Ulster suddenly came up with a 52% vote to join the Republic many on the mainland would say...right off you go, here's your hat, what's your hurry, don't let the door etc.
If they came up with 10% vote to join the Republic the people in Great Britain would say that as well, Degs
I personally do not know one person in England whom has any wish to hold on to Ulster (6 of 9).
And this week the Tories showed the DUP how much they really value the “precious” union.
Ah yes 'The Irish Question', up there with 'The Balkan Question' for sheer Unsolvability...(bain of my long ago history GCEs)If they came up with 10% vote to join the Republic the people in Great Britain would say that as well, Degs
I personally do not know one person in England whom has any wish to hold on to Ulster (6 of 9).
And this week the Tories showed the DUP how much they really value the “precious” union.
Still showing that in Ireland, The Balkans, The near and Middle East; 2 or even many historical wrongs still don't make a modern day right.
Add to those, WW1, Balfour et al, the British Palestine mandate, the subsequent divvy up of land with 'artifical' borders.
Armenia, Kurds, Greece, Turkey, Cyprus. Etc.
One big historical dogs breakfast.
DUP acting like a lover scorned.
Unable and unwilling to accept the fact their paramour has dumped them in no uncertain manner and desperate to get back into bed with them.
They are still chiming that they want Brexit despite the fact they know for certain no Brexit is possible without separate arrangements for NI and Great Britain.
“We want to leave as one nation. That remains our goal.
"If the Prime Minister remains willing to achieve that outcome he will find DUP MPs as willing partners in that project."
Unable and unwilling to accept the fact their paramour has dumped them in no uncertain manner and desperate to get back into bed with them.
They are still chiming that they want Brexit despite the fact they know for certain no Brexit is possible without separate arrangements for NI and Great Britain.
“We want to leave as one nation. That remains our goal.
"If the Prime Minister remains willing to achieve that outcome he will find DUP MPs as willing partners in that project."
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Its called having your cake and eating it
Carl O'Ancelotti
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I know. But unfortunately successive UK governments have given unionists parties a veto on any progress so it's their own fault that this issue remains unresolved.
I meant it has always been the Republic's problem in that 'The National Question' is always on the agenda for the political parties. And that as around half the population of NI consider themselves to be Irish, the Irish government has a responsibility to cater for their needs and aspirations, as they are obliged to do under the terms of the GFA.
Carl O'Ancelotti
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It's looking ominous, like 1913, 1974, and 1986 all over again.
www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk
Loyalists will not tolerate an economic united Ireland, Boris Johnson warned
Boris Johnson has been warned that loyalists in Northern Ireland will “not tolerate an economic united Ireland”.
www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk
It's looking ominous, like 1913, 1974, and 1986 all over again.
Loyalists will not tolerate an economic united Ireland, Boris Johnson warned
Boris Johnson has been warned that loyalists in Northern Ireland will “not tolerate an economic united Ireland”.
That Bryson fellow is a moron.
And don’t worry Mark.....there is no comparison to 1913 or 1974.
Your lesson is 1986....their bully boy threats did not derail the Anglo-Irish Agreement.
Ditto Drumcree....ditto the GFA.
If they start any shenanigans with this current Westminster government they will only accelerate the British Brexit from Ulster (6 of 9).
And BTW.....the place they should be protesting at is the DUP HQ.
It is the DUP which very enthusiastically helped dig the Leylists into the hole they find themselves.
The unrequited love the NI Leylists have for Great Britain is looking more pathetic every day.
Disgruntledgoat
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If they came up with 10% vote to join the Republic the people in Great Britain would say that as well, Degs
I personally do not know one person in England whom has any wish to hold on to Ulster (6 of 9).
And this week the Tories showed the DUP how much they really value the “precious” union.
I used to do a lot of work in Turkey in a place that was quite close to the border with Bulgaria. One of my colleagues told me that post Berlin Wall the Turkish army just drove around the countryside handing out passports to villagers... That province is in Turkey now.
Bluerover
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In May 1989 Zhivkov, fed up with the failure of the Bulgarian "assimilation" policy that tried to force the Bulgarisation of all of the minority Turks, asked Turkey to open its borders to admit any Turks that no longer wanted to live in Bulgaria.
370,000 left by 1990, although roughly a third of them subsequently returned to post- Communist Bulgaria.
Maybe this was when Turkish soldiers were facilitating easy access to Turkish passports for those ARRIVING in Turkey from Bulgaria.
They certainly did not drive around the Biulgarian countryside - that would have constituted an invasion. Neither did Bulgaria cede any part of its territory to Turkey.
Disgruntledgoat
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Carl O'Ancelotti
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I take your point, but never underestimate the threat from angry unionists when they don't get what they want. For example the Drumcree protest was called off in the end, but it was only after 3 young boys were burned alive in their beds after they petrol bombed nationalist houses did they see that what they were doing was ramping up tension and hatred to such an extent that it would result in dire consequences.
Well, that tragedy showed that their hand was much weaker than it had been previously and they realised that even in the light of that event, neither the Catholics nor the government were going to be faced down by them.
Drumcree protests petered out after those murders.
Go back to 1974 and during the Ulster Workers Council strike there were the bombings of Dublin and Monaghan carried out by Nairac and his UVF murder gangs, resulting in dozens of deaths.
Far from stopping the bullying and intimidation, they were emboldened by it and both the Irish and British governments resolve weakened to the extent that the British were like rabbits in the headlights.
And we have more recent examples of how Leylist bully boy tactics were faced down.
The Holy Cross school episode, Drumcree Mk II @ Ardoyne and most recently with the fleg protest at Belfast City Hall.
Now, that is not to say they will not protest nor that they are incapable of random acts of murder on innocent Catholics.
But as a mass, angry protest movement with the muscle to turn the clock back to 1974 and stage a mini coup on the streets of NI they are a busted flush.
And the fact that a fruitloop like Bryson is their leader serves to illustrate that point
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