If Big John wins and by some chance the Assembly was up and running again, would he become the Deputy First Minister?
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If Big John wins and by some chance the Assembly was up and running again, would he become the Deputy First Minister?
Yes.
He has earned it politically and personally I would have faith in the lad speaking on my behalf.
That is why I keep harping on about the Sinners going into Westminster.....Murphy and the likes of that Hazzard fellow would be a quare match for Sammy Tache and the boys not to mention that weasel Francois when he starts spouting about soldiers being untouchable when they shoot innocent people on the streets of what they call our “precious, precious Union”.
I have no doubt they would be effective performers but why would SF go into WM now?
London is in free fall and their threats of a No Deal never mind their delivery of it is a dream for Republicans.
Every statement of taking back control, Ireland should know its place and the EU will bend, is exactly what Republicans have preached re the illegitimacy and nature of British politics since Wolfe Tone.
Once the referendum is called is when SF should send it’s politicians to Westminster to reinforce why we demand independence.
Expose the argument in the full media glare that the circus of Republicans in Parliament would ultimately be. How better a way to get your vote out than the right wing hate that would undoubtedly be poured out in advance of Election Day?
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Won't ever happen though because they won't take the oath. Expecting republicans to swear allegiance to Her Madge before being allowed to speak is a bit much to expect.
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They may as well have a clean sweep and get rid of Mary Lou as well. Get Pearse Doherty in.Aye up.
Interesting and indeed welcome news coming from Ireland that Michelle O’Neill might be ousted from her position as deputy leader of Sinn Fein.
She is to be challenged for the role by the very able, plain speaking Lurgan man John O’Dowd.
I have made my feelings on Ms. O’Neill very well known on this forum.
In my view she has been little short of a disaster for the cause of the Irish nationalist people in Ulster (6 of 9) during the Brexit crisis with her whiny, barely intelligible twaddle delivered in a far too rapid speaking voice.
I don’t think anyone could take her seriously in negotiations either with the EU, the Dublin government nor even the Johnson junta.
I have always said that the DUP leader Arlene Foster is equally vacuous but that she at least sounds authoritative when she speaks......and as we can see from the way she has pushed herself to the forefront of the Brexit madness, that particular talent can take you a very long way.
‘mon big John
Sinn Féin's vice president Michelle O'Neill faces challenge from John O'Dowd
Current vice-president Michelle O'Neill says she welcomes "debate" and will stand for re-election.www.bbc.co.uk
Oh I get that Mark but when push comes to shove, it would be a successful Plan B.
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Her voice does my head in especially when she gets agitated in the Dáil. She is a very good constituency TD though, which I can attest to from personal experience having dealt with her constituency office.
Indeed.
And it is very possible it will become an absolute necessity sooner rather than later.
I shall tag @Mark O'Silver in as well.
I outlined such a scenario in a post the other day.
At some stage in the future the Referendum on Irish unity is going to have to be held in 6 of 9.
And at some stage in the future it will be carried.
Might be next year.....might be five years hence.....ten years even.....but probably no more than twenty.
When this happens it will take an Act of Parliament for England to finally leave Ireland (32 of 32).
Before this Act can come to pass, it will be voted on in a series of Readings in the HOC, in the firm of a Bill which will require a majority vote in Westminster.
So.....let us suppose that Parliament is hung.
And IMO hung Parliaments or small majorities are here to stay.
And just say the Tory/DUP MPs club together and have a majority of, let’s say three, voting the Bill down at its first Reading.
Whilst seven or eight Sinn Fein MPs sit back in the Felon’s Club in Andytown watching all this unfold
That is where Army’s Plan B comes into play, Mark.
If a United Ireland was to be lost for the want of a few Sinners crossing their fingers and mouthing a few meaningless words they needn’t show their faces in Crossmaglen or up the Falls ever again
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That is it Khal.Indeed.
And it is very possible it will become an absolute necessity sooner rather than later.
I shall tag @Mark O'Silver in as well.
I outlined such a scenario in a post the other day.
At some stage in the future the Referendum on Irish unity is going to have to be held in 6 of 9.
And at some stage in the future it will be carried.
Might be next year.....might be five years hence.....ten years even.....but probably no more than twenty.
When this happens it will take an Act of Parliament for England to finally leave Ireland (32 of 32).
Before this Act can come to pass, it will be voted on in a series of Readings in the HOC, in the firm of a Bill which will require a majority vote in Westminster.
So.....let us suppose that Parliament is hung.
And IMO hung Parliaments or small majorities are here to stay.
And just say the Tory/DUP MPs club together and have a majority of, let’s say three, voting the Bill down at its first Reading.
Whilst seven or eight Sinn Fein MPs sit back in the Felon’s Club in Andytown watching all this unfold
That is where Army’s Plan B comes into play, Mark.
If a United Ireland was to be lost for the want of a few Sinners crossing their fingers and mouthing a few meaningless words they needn’t show their faces in Crossmaglen or up the Falls ever again
Pick the exact moment and do it for maximum impact. Tell the world what you are doing and what a ‘sovereign state’ expects a mere subject to do to achieve self determination. Make a mockery of it and use it to channel the impending vote.
I’ll be honest, I say this but my heart says No.
It’s going to happen anyway but the delivery of it will need lots of choreography.
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There's still more chance of JRM getting elected to the Reichstag and swearing allegiance to the German president than SF doing what they would consider to be a similar thing.Indeed.
And it is very possible it will become an absolute necessity sooner rather than later.
I shall tag @Mark O'Silver in as well.
I outlined such a scenario in a post the other day.
At some stage in the future the Referendum on Irish unity is going to have to be held in 6 of 9.
And at some stage in the future it will be carried.
Might be next year.....might be five years hence.....ten years even.....but probably no more than twenty.
When this happens it will take an Act of Parliament for England to finally leave Ireland (32 of 32).
Before this Act can come to pass, it will be voted on in a series of Readings in the HOC, in the firm of a Bill which will require a majority vote in Westminster.
So.....let us suppose that Parliament is hung.
And IMO hung Parliaments or small majorities are here to stay.
And just say the Tory/DUP MPs club together and have a majority of, let’s say three, voting the Bill down at its first Reading.
Whilst seven or eight Sinn Fein MPs sit back in the Felon’s Club in Andytown watching all this unfold
That is where Army’s Plan B comes into play, Mark.
If a United Ireland was to be lost for the want of a few Sinners crossing their fingers and mouthing a few meaningless words they needn’t show their faces in Crossmaglen or up the Falls ever again
If the HOC were to try to ignore the result of such a referendum it wouldn't be SF getting the blame anyway. This is something provided for in an international treaty so there would an international outcry if GB tried to ignore the outcome, which would be an extremely unlikely scenario.
It would still require an Act of Parliament, Mark.
It was the Government of Ireland Act in 1920 which allowed the then Irish Free State to become an autonomous region and pave the way to the Treaty and partition and it will take a similiar piece of legislation to set 6 of 9 free.
If Brexit has taught us owt, it is that you just don’t have a Referendum and act upon it without the government passing legislation to cover it.
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Brevity says we want out. . Others say otherwise. Who are we to believe. I go with democracy, we want OUT.
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That's nice. In what form.
And surely given the added clarity and information we now have about what Brexit would mean in reality, as well as the several forms it would likely take, why is it a bad thing to have a second referendum. Surely an informed democratic decision is better than an uninformed democratic decision.
From an outside perspective.
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