Current Affairs Irish Border and Brexit

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

Seems An Tánaiste agrees with me that Johnson & Co are now sticking 2 fingers up to the GFA...

Tánaiste Simon Coveney has said the Government is not going to compromise on a peace process which he described as "fragile right now" in favour of vague promises on what might happen to the border after Brexit.

Speaking in Paris, the Minister for Foreign Affairs accused the British government of "wiping the slate clean on the Irish issue" and reneging on commitments already made.

He said: "Now we have a British government that seems to be simply wiping the slate clean on the Irish issue in terms of the commitments that they have made. We can never sign an agreement with that approach. "

This is not going to end well at all.

 

[Khalekan]

Seems An Tánaiste agrees with me that Johnson & Co are now sticking 2 fingers up to the GFA...

Tánaiste Simon Coveney has said the Government is not going to compromise on a peace process which he described as "fragile right now" in favour of vague promises on what might happen to the border after Brexit.

Speaking in Paris, the Minister for Foreign Affairs accused the British government of "wiping the slate clean on the Irish issue" and reneging on commitments already made.

He said: "Now we have a British government that seems to be simply wiping the slate clean on the Irish issue in terms of the commitments that they have made. We can never sign an agreement with that approach. "

This is not going to end well at all.

With each successive act in the Brexit saga I am reminded of Wolfe Tone's famous words spoken in the 1790s.

He said that England was the "never ending source of all our troubles".

Just as apt now as they were then.

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

With each successive act in the Brexit saga I am reminded of Wolfe Tone's famous words spoken in the 1790s.

He said that England was the "never ending source of all our troubles".

Just as apt now as they were then.

Just cannot get my head around how these b'stards are prepared to flush 20 years of the best-ever Anglo-Irish relations down the toilet in pursuit of their selfish dream.

And they wonder why Ireland has continuously felt the need to take up arms against them since the days of Tone's rebellion in 1798.

It just beggars belief. I hate saying this, but it will never end until they get out completely.

 

[Charlie Sweet]

Just cannot get my head around how these b'stards are prepared to flush 20 years of the best-ever Anglo-Irish relations down the toilet in pursuit of their selfish dream.

And they wonder why Ireland has continuously felt the need to take up arms against them since the days of Tone's rebellion in 1798.

It just beggars belief. I hate saying this, but it will never end until they get out completely.

Spot on.

The only way I can take it is that this just hastens the end game. In the general election that is surely just around the corner i can see a good number of soft unionists move to the Alliance party (or the SDLP in certain seats).

 

[Tipp blue]

I found a song about Borris Johnson's attitude in suspending parlement.

 

[Bluerover]

PSNI Assistant Chief Constable Barbara Gray, hardly a rabid Republican, is concerned enough to warn that anything that brings the Border issue into question in Northern Ireland brings tension in terms of dissident escalation.

This is absolutely reckless behaviour from Johnson and seriously puts LIVES at risk. Does he have any idea how many died in the Troubles and how many years it took to bring peace.

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

PSNI Assistant Chief Constable Barbara Gray, hardly a rabid Republican, is concerned enough to warn that anything that brings the Border issue into question in Northern Ireland brings tension in terms of dissident escalation.

This is absolutely reckless behaviour from Johnson and seriously puts LIVES at risk. Does he have any idea how many died in the Troubles and how many years it took to bring peace.

No of course he doesn't, not that he'd care anyway.

PSNI Chief Constables past and present have been warning about this for a couple of years now. And they should know.

You may as well talk to the wall than expect Leavers and/or the British government to take any notice though.

They are dead set on reaching the Promised Land of their dreams and nobody or nothing is going to stop them.

Brexit and the GFA are incompatible, that's the top and bottom of it, and when it came to the choice they chose the former. God help the rest of us.

 

[Bluerover]

No of course he doesn't, not that he'd care anyway.

PSNI Chief Constables past and present have been warning about this for a couple of years now. And they should know.

You may as well talk to the wall than expect Leavers and/or the British government to take any notice though.

They are dead set on reaching the Promised Land of their dreams and nobody or nothing is going to stop them.

Brexit and the GFA are incompatible, that's the top and bottom of it, and when it came to the choice they chose the former. God help the rest of us.

I have been and will be professionally dealing with the economic fall out across the 32 counties and this is clearly very grave for all on the island. The economic consequences across all sectors north and south are stark.

However, what is much worse is the very real threat of an escalated return to violence. I grew up with the Troubles being a daily reality- for me, in Dublin, mostly but not always on the news - and how I rejoiced when the breakthroughs came in 1994 and after.

This lunacy threatens to open a real Pandora's Box.

I urge the UKG to please step back immediately from the precipice or risk the lives of thousands of innocents.

I am not being alarmist here, but simply following the warnings of NI security chiefs at the highest level.

This is way too serious to think it is some sort of political game to be played with Brussels.

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

I have been and will be professionally dealing with the economic fall out across the 32 counties and this is clearly very grave for all on the island. The economic consequences across all sectors north and south are stark.

However, what is much worse is the very real threat of an escalated return to violence. I grew up with the Troubles being a daily reality- for me, in Dublin, mostly but not always on the news - and how I rejoiced when the breakthroughs came in 1994 and after.

This lunacy threatens to open a real Pandora's Box.

I urge the UKG to please step back immediately from the precipice or risk the lives of thousands of innocents.

I am not being alarmist here, but simply following the warnings of NI security chiefs at the highest level.

This is way too serious to think it is some sort of political game to be played with Brussels.

The tearing up of the GFA which is effectively what will happen when the all-island economy is abolished, is manna from heaven for militant republicanism.

You can almost hear them say already: "Told you the British would not keep their side of the bargain."

There's a new generation of republicans who didn't live through the conflict like we did, who would not be disinclined at all to resume 'the armed struggle'.

Johnson and his government are playing with fire. The saddest thing of all is that they don't realise it.

 

[SteveSC]

I have been and will be professionally dealing with the economic fall out across the 32 counties and this is clearly very grave for all on the island. The economic consequences across all sectors north and south are stark.

However, what is much worse is the very real threat of an escalated return to violence. I grew up with the Troubles being a daily reality- for me, in Dublin, mostly but not always on the news - and how I rejoiced when the breakthroughs came in 1994 and after.

This lunacy threatens to open a real Pandora's Box.

I urge the UKG to please step back immediately from the precipice or risk the lives of thousands of innocents.

I am not being alarmist here, but simply following the warnings of NI security chiefs at the highest level.

This is way too serious to think it is some sort of political game to be played with Brussels.

Remember you can't have an opinion on the troubles because Jeff says he experienced it and knows better than anyone else end off. Haha!

But well said it amazes me when experts, those who are and those who will be affected set off alarms and voice concern and yet pro leave people ignore their advise, concerns. They tell you they know better or your blowing smoke.

 

[Khalekan]

I have been and will be professionally dealing with the economic fall out across the 32 counties and this is clearly very grave for all on the island. The economic consequences across all sectors north and south are stark.

However, what is much worse is the very real threat of an escalated return to violence. I grew up with the Troubles being a daily reality- for me, in Dublin, mostly but not always on the news - and how I rejoiced when the breakthroughs came in 1994 and after.

This lunacy threatens to open a real Pandora's Box.

I urge the UKG to please step back immediately from the precipice or risk the lives of thousands of innocents.

I am not being alarmist here, but simply following the warnings of NI security chiefs at the highest level.

This is way too serious to think it is some sort of political game to be played with Brussels.

My money is still on the NI only Backstop coming back into play when Johnson goes to Brussels for his summit on October 16th.

It is the only sensible way out of this.

 

[Bluerover]

The tearing up of the GFA which is effectively what will happen when the all-island economy is abolished, is manna from heaven for militant republicanism.

You can almost hear them say already: "Told you the British would not keep their side of the bargain."

There's a new wave of republicans who didn't live through the conflict like we did, who would not be disinclined at all to resume 'the armed struggle'.

Johnson and his government are playing with fire. The saddest thing of all is that they don't realise it.

Irish Examiner article that I just read headlined that this is simply a game to Johnson (that he may win) but my deep concern is how this has turned the temperature on the Ulster hob from zero towards high through crass ignorance and indifference.

For all living In Ireland this is not a game- economically or politically.

It smacks of the attitude of the likes of Trevelyan who couldn't care less about the Irish of whatever religious hue.

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

Irish Examiner article that I just read headlined that this is simply a game to Johnson (that he may win) but my deep concern is how this has turned the temperature on the Ulster hob from zero towards high through crass ignorance and indifference.

For all living In Ireland this is not a game- economically or politically.

It smacks of the attitude of the likes of Trevelyan who couldn't care less about the Irish of whatever religious hue.

And we didn't even steal his corn.

"Low lie....."

 

[Bluerover]

My money is still on the NI only Backstop coming back into play when Johnson goes to Brussels for his summit on October 16th.

It is the only sensible way out of this.

I don't bet but my informed knowledge is that major powers in EU MS are going to insist on this being sorted.

This is not going to be nice for anyone and I genuinely fear for my ordinary working UK brethren if this attitude continues.

At home, your democracy has been greatly weakened by your PM ignoring the elected Parliament and you have even less sympathy if that were possible amongst nearly 600 million European fellow citizens.

 

[Bluerover]

And we didn't even steal his corn.

"Low lie....."

The greatest evil we have to face is not the physical evil of the famine but the moral evil of the selfish, perverse and turbulent character of the Irish people.

Victoria knighted him.