Current Affairs Irish Border and Brexit

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Harryflashman said:
I know firstly it’s slightly different because they’re in the single market via the EEA but I’ve just been reading an article on the Norwegian border and smuggling etc and this struck me

“But one lesson from Norway is that even with the Nordic country’s close ties to the bloc, border checks are necessary. Cars entering Norway at Ørje are stopped and drivers asked for their destination and the purpose of their visit. The border post was recently extended and rebuilt with new barriers and cameras. Staffing has also been increased.”

Obviously I’m well aware in other areas ‘passport checks are rare ‘ but the whole issue is that passport checks at all , however rare are going to be a massive issue .

I’m not suggesting that Norway Isn’t worth looking at pete , you know or I hope you do , that I’m not trying to be obtuse but this isn’t easy .
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I know it’s not easy, which is why I advocated spending half a billion on sorting the technology nearly two years ago. But Norway nearly has a functioning system, many elements of which can be developed quickly.......
 
peteblue said:
I know it’s not easy, which is why I advocated spending half a billion on sorting the technology nearly two years ago. But Norway nearly has a functioning system, many elements of which can be developed quickly.......
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what elements of it could be developed quickly Pete?

I haven’t a clue about the mechanics of it but if a peaceful country like Norway has to introduce border surveillance and checks to ensure compliancy then this may be an issue of concern.

Which bits could we hang our hats on then add the necessary bells and whistles to get this deal over the line?
 
Armaghtoffee said:
what elements of it could be developed quickly Pete?

I haven’t a clue about the mechanics of it but if a peaceful country like Norway has to introduce border surveillance and checks to ensure compliancy then this may be an issue of concern.

Which bits could we hang our hats on then add the necessary bells and whistles to get this deal over the line?
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We went over this for months. Pete doesn't know.
 
Armaghtoffee said:
what elements of it could be developed quickly Pete?

I haven’t a clue about the mechanics of it but if a peaceful country like Norway has to introduce border surveillance and checks to ensure compliancy then this may be an issue of concern.

Which bits could we hang our hats on then add the necessary bells and whistles to get this deal over the line?
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He has absolutely no idea. He just thinks it's easier to argue a hopeful position rather than a factual one.
 
Armaghtoffee said:
what elements of it could be developed quickly Pete?

I haven’t a clue about the mechanics of it but if a peaceful country like Norway has to introduce border surveillance and checks to ensure compliancy then this may be an issue of concern.

Which bits could we hang our hats on then add the necessary bells and whistles to get this deal over the line?
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The BBC and i think it was CNN a while back both did a piece on Norway and although the people they spoke to said it could be an option for Britain and Ireland they would need to tweak and change a lot of it. Also they said that theirs isn't even fully operational because they still have to stop truck and lorries and check their paperwork. I know two guys who were part of that project and what was supposed to take a year took two. Sure the guys in the documentary news piece said that too.

Anyway Pete misses the point.

I have been on man y projects for the Irish and American governments (some others too)

They would go like this

  • Tender goes out
  • Companies bid
  • Government chooses brown envelope candidate or inexperienced company who then hires one of the other companies that put a tender in.
  • There are many meetings over many months thrashing out details.
  • The planning finally takes place and the company will go and look for the materials they need as none ever have it lying around.
  • The planners argue with the tech guys over items they think should be included for a while so more meetings.
  • More cash has to be asked for to cover overtime and cost of goods.
  • Then the projects begin.
They always go over budget and take way longer than they should.

Even if you haven't been part of one as a citizen of any nation probably have read about it in the press. I have mentioned several projects before that have failed because of this.

Given that my expertise is the very thing we are talking about sure there are parts out there and possibly software and methods but putting it altogether and tweaking it takes forever.

I was part of one project that simply involved adding one small piece of automation and it took a year. Largely because when they found out what the robot and automated parts could do they were no longer happy with the plan and project and changed it several times.

This isn't a six month fix nor a 12 month fix. Sure you could throw something up possibly in a year but it would fail. Nearly 90% of massive projects go over budget and take way longer.
 
peteblue said:
I know it’s not easy, which is why I advocated spending half a billion on sorting the technology nearly two years ago. But Norway nearly has a functioning system, many elements of which can be developed quickly.......
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Costly lark this whole brexit thing. And what's your proposed annual budget for the indefinite manning of this hypothetical, non-existent, technical marvel?
 
steveojcc said:
The BBC and i think it was CNN a while back both did a piece on Norway and although the people they spoke to said it could be an option for Britain and Ireland they would need to tweak and change a lot of it. Also they said that theirs isn't even fully operational because they still have to stop truck and lorries and check their paperwork. I know two guys who were part of that project and what was supposed to take a year took two. Sure the guys in the documentary news piece said that too.

Anyway Pete misses the point.

I have been on man y projects for the Irish and American governments (some others too)

They would go like this

  • Tender goes out
  • Companies bid
  • Government chooses brown envelope candidate or inexperienced company who then hires one of the other companies that put a tender in.
  • There are many meetings over many months thrashing out details.
  • The planning finally takes place and the company will go and look for the materials they need as none ever have it lying around.
  • The planners argue with the tech guys over items they think should be included for a while so more meetings.
  • More cash has to be asked for to cover overtime and cost of goods.
  • Then the projects begin.
They always go over budget and take way longer than they should.

Even if you haven't been part of one as a citizen of any nation probably have read about it in the press. I have mentioned several projects before that have failed because of this.

Given that my expertise is the very thing we are talking about sure there are parts out there and possibly software and methods but putting it altogether and tweaking it takes forever.

I was part of one project that simply involved adding one small piece of automation and it took a year. Largely because when they found out what the robot and automated parts could do they were no longer happy with the plan and project and changed it several times.

This isn't a six month fix nor a 12 month fix. Sure you could throw something up possibly in a year but it would fail. Nearly 90% of massive projects go over budget and take way longer.
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You have to remember that this likely falls under remit of Karen 'I don't even know what Northern Ireland is' Bradley, Liam Fox or Chris Grayling.
 
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