Current Affairs Irish Border and Brexit

[roydo]

And en masse the Greeks decided that paying taxes was not for them.

Yep. And retiring at age 40.

 

[davek]

If I am honest wuth you Dave, I wouldn’t have thought the plight of the Greeks crossed the mind of yer average Leave voter in the Referendum.

They were too busy being taken Farage’s lies about £350 million per week for the NHS and immigration and Rees Migg harking back to Crecy and Agincourt to actually weigh up the pros and cons of the EU.

Plenty of people on the left in GB had a hard time reconciling themselves to the single market in the first place; what happened in Grece just about sealed it when the referendum came along. There was plenty on the left arguing that Brexit was desireable in order to allow the state - once a left LP was elected into office - to make a difference...obviously the Brexit envisaged by the crazies of the Tory Party, where all workplace and health and safety legislation would be placed on a bonfire to attract investment into Britain, was not wanted.

 

[Khalekan]

Plenty of people on the left in GB had a hard time reconciling themselves to the single market in the first place; what happened in Grece just about sealed it when the referendum came along. There was plenty on the left arguing that Brexit was desireable in order to allow the state - once a left LP was elected into office - to make a difference...obviously the Brexit envisaged by the crazies of the Tory Party, where all workplace and health and safety legislation would be placed on a bonfire to attract investment into Britain, was not wanted.

Yes, you are talking about politically savvy people whom sat down and thought about it.

And the left, as you say and including myself, have always had a problem with the capitalist nature of the EU.

But give me the EU over a Tory Britain any day of the week.......particularly if they get their way with Brexit.

Because at least the EU are more protective of things like worker’s rights and their H&S than Rees Mogg and his shower will ever be.

Brexit Britain will be austerity central and will not be what us veteran lefties would want to call home.

But I digress.....it wasn’t refusenik lefties who got Brexit over the line.

It was soon to be unemployed auto workers in places like Sunderland and other northern post industrial wastelands who swallowed the Brexit lies without a thought of Greece and are now regretting their decision..

 

[davek]

Yes, you are talking about politically savvy people whom sat down and thought about it.

And the left, as you say and including myself, have always had a problem with the capitalist nature of the EU.

But give me the EU over a Tory Britain any day of the week.......particularly if they get their way with Brexit.

Because at least the EU are more protective of things like worker’s rights and their H&S than Rees Mogg and his shower will ever be.

Brexit Britain will be austerity central and will not be what us veteran lefties would want to call home.

But I digress.....it wasn’t refusenik lefties who got Brexit over the line.

It was soon to be unemployed auto workers in places like Sunderland and other northern post industrial wastelands who swallowed the Brexit lies without a thought of Greece and are now regretting their decision..

Quite a few Lexiteers. Maybe not enough to have closed the gap on 52-48, but enough to have drawn it closer and less of a win that the Tory hard right could parade as a substantial mandate for their type of Brexit. If the EU hadn't bludgeoned Greece on the 'eve' of the referendum there might have been that closer outcome.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Plenty of people on the left in GB had a hard time reconciling themselves to the single market in the first place; what happened in Grece just about sealed it when the referendum came along. There was plenty on the left arguing that Brexit was desireable in order to allow the state - once a left LP was elected into office - to make a difference...obviously the Brexit envisaged by the crazies of the Tory Party, where all workplace and health and safety legislation would be placed on a bonfire to attract investment into Britain, was not wanted.

While it should've been discussed more widely I've honestly not heard Greece referenced once in nearly 4 years of Brexit chatter. If anything, the history surrounding Greece and the EU should be an warning sign to those that think 'the EU will cave at the last minute, they always do'. Greece seemed to rely on that to their detriment.

 

[Khalekan]

Quite a few Lexiteers. Maybe not enough to have closed the gap on 52-48, but enough to have drawn it closer and less of a win that the Tory hard right could parade as a substantial mandate for their type of Brexit. If the EU hadn't bludgeoned Greece on the 'eve' of the referendum there might have been that closer outcome.

Dave....lif they had won by only one vote they would still be prancing around like they won by a landslide and prattling on about “the will of the people”.

 

[roydo]

Quite a few Lexiteers. Maybe not enough to have closed the gap on 52-48, but enough to have drawn it closer and less of a win that the Tory hard right could parade as a substantial mandate for their type of Brexit. If the EU hadn't bludgeoned Greece on the 'eve' of the referendum there might have been that closer outcome.

Nah. No one gave a fudge about Greece mate. Outside some echo chamber talking shops. They were kippered years before the referendum anyrate.

Its taken this thread 2 1/2 years for the G word to be raised

 

[graham74]

Phantom Power (@PhantomPower14) Tweeted:
Sinn Féin President Mary Lou McDonald tells the British Prime Minister that she has come to Ireland with no plan, no credibility and no honour and that in the event of a hard Tory/DUP Brexit she must prepare for an Irish Unity Referendum. https://t.co/arcGmKvngg

 

[peteblue]

Dave....lif they had won by only one vote they would still be prancing around like they won by a landslide and prattling on about “the will of the people”.

But it wasn’t a single vote was it, in fact it was not far off the entire population of NI......just to summarise.....

 

[Cork Evertonian]

The temptation is strong to middle finger all of @peteblue posts on this thread.But i suppose we better keep things civil.

 

[SteveSC]

But it wasn’t a single vote was it, in fact it was not far off the entire population of NI......just to summarise.....

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If you are talking about the 44.2% it's not exactly - "not far off the entire country of NI" is it? It's less than half and that's just those that can vote or chose to vote.

1,260,955

62.7%

440,707

349,442

55.78%

44.22%

As above 62.7% of the public who were eligible voted. That's 62.7% of 1,260,955. The entire population by the way is 1,800,000 plus

So 440,707 voted to stay and 349,442 voted to leave. Which is 740,149 in total voted.

So no not even close to the entire population.

 

[Jebus_lives]

If you are talking about the 44.2% it's not exactly - "not far off the entire country of NI" is it? It's less than half and that's just those that can vote or chose to vote.

1,260,955

62.7%

440,707

349,442

55.78%

44.22%

As above 62.7% of the public who were eligible voted. That's 62.7% of 1,260,955. The entire population by the way is 1,800,000 plus

So 440,707 voted to stay and 349,442 voted to leave. Which is 740,149 in total voted.

So no not even close to the entire population.

I think he was referring to the difference between leave (17.4m) vs remain (16.1m). But I may be wrong. He added a graph thinking he was being clever and strengthening his argument, when actually it just confused people. @peteblue

 

[peteblue]

If you are talking about the 44.2% it's not exactly - "not far off the entire country of NI" is it? It's less than half and that's just those that can vote or chose to vote.

1,260,955

62.7%

440,707

349,442

55.78%

44.22%

As above 62.7% of the public who were eligible voted. That's 62.7% of 1,260,955. The entire population by the way is 1,800,000 plus

So 440,707 voted to stay and 349,442 voted to leave. Which is 740,149 in total voted.

So no not even close to the entire population.

I was talking about the difference of 1.4M who voted Leave, which as I said is not far off the entire population of N.I. Not voting populations. Other wise I would have said that the 1.4M was greater than they whole of the N.I. Electorate.....

 

[peteblue]

I think he was referring to the difference between leave (17.4m) vs remain (16.1m). But I may be wrong. He added a graph thinking he was being clever and strengthening his argument, when actually it just confused people. @peteblue

It only confused you. I tried to find the most simple, idiot proof, guide to how the country voted, evidently I failed.....

 

[Jebus_lives]

It only confused you. I tried to find the most simple, idiot proof, guide to how the country voted, evidently I failed.....

It had little relevance to the point you made.