Current Affairs Irish Border and Brexit

[peteblue]

Good luck with that
Customs union, here you come

What will be will be. The EU and ROI have a choice. Tonight shows that the U.K. is not going to change in spite of every project fear thrown at it. The conservatives are united again, apart form the serial backstabbers who will never be selected again. So it’s all good....

 

[Neiler]

They are really going to do it aren’t they.

Pray for the U.K.

That parliament is very concerning, well not all, it was a very tight enough vote on the backstop, but sense didn’t win the day.

Every chance for them squandered, if it’s a hard brexit the politicians almost deserve it, not the U.K. citizens it will impact I might add, my concern is with them and the people of NI.

 

[TraffordBlue]

What will be will be. The EU and ROI have a choice. Tonight shows that the U.K. is not going to change in spite of every project fear thrown at it. The conservatives are united again, apart form the serial backstabbers who will never be selected again. So it’s all good....

There will be consequences for this country (and others like Ireland) and sadly a lot of those people who want Brexit thinking it will improve their lives will come to realise that they will be far worse off and they whether they admit it or not, will have contributed to the decline of their own nation.

It obviously doesn't currently bother the most deluded and vociferous Brexiteers like yourself but this is the reality.

You can carry on being smug while this nonsense is still being thrashed out but if and when things start to make progress, we will see how smug those on the leave side are. I'm sure many will keep on with the manipulative narrative, blame and fantasies, but there will many who will go on to think...."what have we done".

 

[Ruairi77]

If May does manage to re-negotiate the deal, the new deal would have to be approved by all 27 EU members. There's no way in hell any Irish government would approve any change to the backstop. So even if the Tories manage to get the EU to budge, there's no way it doesn't get vetoed.
By relying on the DUP, May put party ahead of country and that's the core problem here.

 

[Blues Harp]

There will be consequences for this country (and others like Ireland) and sadly a lot of those people who want Brexit thinking it will improve their lives will come to realise that they will be far worse off and they whether they admit it or not, will have contributed to the decline of their own nation.

It obviously doesn't currently bother the most deluded and vociferous Brexiteers like yourself but this is the reality.

You can carry on being smug while this nonsense is still being thrashed out but if and when things start to make progress, we will see how smug those on the leave side are. I'm sure many will keep on with the manipulative narrative, blame and fantasies, but there will many who will go on to think...."what have we done".

Never trust a scummy tory...the "I'm alright Jack brigade who don't give a toss about anyone but themselves.

 

[peteblue]

If May does manage to re-negotiate the deal, the new deal would have to be approved by all 27 EU members. There's no way in hell any Irish government would approve any change to the backstop. So even if the Tories manage to get the EU to budge, there's no way it doesn't get vetoed.
By relying on the DUP, May put party ahead of country and that's the core problem here.

Actually I think majority vote counts in respect of the Brexit agreement....might be wrong but I think I remember reading that.....

 

[dublinbluenose]

Actually I think majority vote counts in respect of the Brexit agreement....might be wrong but I think I remember reading that.....

Your sort of right. It goes to the European parliament and then to the council of ministers where a qualified majority is required. It then has to be approved by the HOC, which is where everything seems to fall apart.

From day one, the UK government's whole negotiating tactic was predicated on the belief that the EU will bin Ireland in favour of a deal. Don't forget the UK wide backstop was a concession from the EU to the UK !

I don't know where it all ends up but the EU have shown nothing to suggest they will throw Ireland under a bus for the 2nd time in a decade. It would be manna from heaven to populist parties in Italy, Greece, Spain etc if they did, I don't think I'm overstating it to suggest it would do more damage to the EU project than the risk of a no deal.

 

[peteblue]

Your sort of right. It goes to the European parliament and then to the council of ministers where a qualified majority is required. It then has to be approved by the HOC, which is where everything seems to fall apart.

From day one, the UK government's whole negotiating tactic was predicated on the belief that the EU will bin Ireland in favour of a deal. Don't forget the UK wide backstop was a concession from the EU to the UK !

I don't know where it all ends up but the EU have shown nothing to suggest they will throw Ireland under a bus for the 2nd time in a decade. It would be manna from heaven to populist parties in Italy, Greece, Spain etc if they did, I don't think I'm overstating it to suggest it would do more damage to the EU project than the risk of a no deal.

You may be right. It would be entirely consistent for the EU to damage it’s own peoples economy rather than see their political obsession falter. I still think there will be a tweak/amendment to the deal but who knows.....

 

[Neiler]

Your sort of right. It goes to the European parliament and then to the council of ministers where a qualified majority is required. It then has to be approved by the HOC, which is where everything seems to fall apart.

From day one, the UK government's whole negotiating tactic was predicated on the belief that the EU will bin Ireland in favour of a deal. Don't forget the UK wide backstop was a concession from the EU to the UK !

I don't know where it all ends up but the EU have shown nothing to suggest they will throw Ireland under a bus for the 2nd time in a decade. It would be manna from heaven to populist parties in Italy, Greece, Spain etc if they did, I don't think I'm overstating it to suggest it would do more damage to the EU project than the risk of a no deal.

This is it for me, it’s a decision between the concept of Union or doing a deal with the U.K.

Ultimately I think unless Ireland is flexible, then it’s a hard brexit.

Personally I’d like to see a deal, just can’t see the give.

The UKs Sabre rattling yesterday on an “alternative arrangement” does not give me much hope.

Negotiating for two years with the EU, weeks of discussion in the English Dail and the best outcome was a marginal vote for an “alternative arrangement”. How absolutely wishy washy can you be.

Can you imagine the phone call “Hello Mr Tusk, I was wondering where you free to have a discussion about alternative arrangement to the deal we negotiated for two years and signed up to a few weeks ago, everyone in the U.K. parliament happens to think this aleternative arrangement is great”.

“What is this alternative arrangement Mrs May?”

“I Dunno”

It would be very funny if not so serious.

 

[Ron Swanson]

Seeing that the currency Brexiters are dealing in is pure fantasy with a sprinkling of Unicorn tears, I've got a solution for you. One that will keep Scotland in the EU while respecting their indyref result. That will keep the Irish border open, the GFA intact yet ensure NI stays in the Union. At the same time, it will allow the hardcore English brexiters to enjoy the hardest, closed-bordered, most Brexity Brexit that they can fathom...

It's simple really.

Article 50 will be withdrawn immediately and England will, within a period agreed by parliament, leave the UK.

The new sovereign England, a state in its own right for the first time in centuries, will be free to close itself off to the rest of the world. They can, if they wish, build a literal wall (or steel spikes are in vogue, I hear) at the Scottish border. 'F*$# you, Merkel' will be daubed in massive letters across the cliffs of Dover. Border agents will have a handy colour card, like those wee Dulux ones, so they can ensure only the whitest whites are allowed in. Potential immigrants will be asked to recite lines from Only Fools and Horses and Dad's Army. Boris Johnson will be driven around the former colonies by Prince Philip (apart from Ireland, DON'T mention Ireland), dancing with natives and securing the most TREMENDOUS trade deals imaginable.

Wales can, if they like, choose to leave the UK as well. Maybe they'll want to go it alone, or maybe they'll join England to create a new union - call it UK2, or Br1ta1n for the nostalgists.

 

[peteblue]

Seeing that the currency Brexiters are dealing in is pure fantasy with a sprinkling of Unicorn tears, I've got a solution for you. One that will keep Scotland in the EU while respecting their indyref result. That will keep the Irish border open, the GFA intact yet ensure NI stays in the Union. At the same time, it will allow the hardcore English brexiters to enjoy the hardest, closed-bordered, most Brexity Brexit that they can fathom...

It's simple really.

Article 50 will be withdrawn immediately and England will, within a period agreed by parliament, leave the UK.

The new sovereign England, a state in its own right for the first time in centuries, will be free to close itself off to the rest of the world. They can, if they wish, build a literal wall (or steel spikes are in vogue, I hear) at the Scottish border. 'F*$# you, Merkel' will be daubed in massive letters across the cliffs of Dover. Border agents will have a handy colour card, like those wee Dulux ones, so they can ensure only the whitest whites are allowed in. Potential immigrants will be asked to recite lines from Only Fools and Horses and Dad's Army. Boris Johnson will be driven around the former colonies by Prince Philip (apart from Ireland, DON'T mention Ireland), dancing with natives and securing the most TREMENDOUS trade deals imaginable.

Wales can, if they like, choose to leave the UK as well. Maybe they'll want to go it alone, or maybe they'll join England to create a new union - call it UK2, or Br1ta1n for the nostalgists.

Or, we could just do what the people of the U.K. voted for, and which the two main political parties included in their manifestos, and leave the EU......

 

[Ron Swanson]

Or, we could just do what the people of the U.K. voted for, and which the two main political parties included in their manifestos, and leave the EU......

You're literally zero craic, Pete.

 

[edge]

Seeing that the currency Brexiters are dealing in is pure fantasy with a sprinkling of Unicorn tears, I've got a solution for you. One that will keep Scotland in the EU while respecting their indyref result. That will keep the Irish border open, the GFA intact yet ensure NI stays in the Union. At the same time, it will allow the hardcore English brexiters to enjoy the hardest, closed-bordered, most Brexity Brexit that they can fathom...

It's simple really.

Article 50 will be withdrawn immediately and England will, within a period agreed by parliament, leave the UK.

The new sovereign England, a state in its own right for the first time in centuries, will be free to close itself off to the rest of the world. They can, if they wish, build a literal wall (or steel spikes are in vogue, I hear) at the Scottish border. 'F*$# you, Merkel' will be daubed in massive letters across the cliffs of Dover. Border agents will have a handy colour card, like those wee Dulux ones, so they can ensure only the whitest whites are allowed in. Potential immigrants will be asked to recite lines from Only Fools and Horses and Dad's Army. Boris Johnson will be driven around the former colonies by Prince Philip (apart from Ireland, DON'T mention Ireland), dancing with natives and securing the most TREMENDOUS trade deals imaginable.

Wales can, if they like, choose to leave the UK as well. Maybe they'll want to go it alone, or maybe they'll join England to create a new union - call it UK2, or Br1ta1n for the nostalgists.

A free England , sign me up for that

 

[Khalekan]

A free England , sign me up for that

I want a free and independent People’s Republic of Liverpool

 

[peteblue]

You're literally zero craic, Pete.

I know, but I’m just waiting for my car to be brought back from the garage and not too happy tbh....