Current Affairs Irish Border and Brexit

[peteblue]

Your are bothered tho, your chancellor of the exchequer said so

He’s a remainer and will say anything to torpedo our exit.......

 

[peteblue]

That's simply not true mate. Northern Ireland would be swamped and thanks to the DUP there'd be nothing stopping it all coming across the Irish Sea. How is that taking back control of your borders if the singleland border is open and free to anyone?

Swamped with who, Southern Irish who can come here anyway ?, or Europeans that are logged on their way into the ROI anyway.....I’m really not sure what else the U.K. can do, they have a law that says there will be no hard border, none, zilch, nada.......

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

I don’t actually believe that there is any threat of returning to violence. It has been proven that violence gained nothing and that only turning to the vote gave nationalists possibilities to change the future. The first bunch of terrorists that attempted any form of attack would be roundly condemned internationally and support would drift away. The security services are immeasurably better equipped and capable than they ever were before and would quickly round up the perpetrators. It’s only thoughtless and dishonest political people raising the spectre of violence, and like one or two on here talking about people ‘taking up arms’ that stirs it up....

That's what was supposed to happen in 1969 and we know what happened then. Any return of a British military presence here would be worse than the return of the border and would undoubtedly invoke conflict. People aren't being dishonest about the spectre of a return to violence, they are being realistic. But of course you know better than the Chief Constable of the PSNI so I suppose we should believe you instead.

 

[peteblue]

That's what was supposed to happen in 1969 and we know what happened then. Any return of a British military presence here would be worse than the return of the border and would undoubtedly invoke conflict. People aren't being dishonest about the spectre of a return to violence, they are being realistic. But of course you know better than the Chief Constable of the PSNI so I suppose we should believe you instead.

Are you seriously comparing today’s security services capabilities with those from 1969. Really ?.....

 

[Charlie Sweet]

Are you seriously comparing today’s security services capabilities with those from 1969. Really ?.....

He's not and you're completely missing the point.

The "war" was ended with a peace settlement - the Good Friday Agreement. That satisfied nationalists on a very wide spectrum.

A fundamental part of that agreement was an open border, the clear right to a reunification vote and the oversight of the EU in a broad sense.

The UK voted (narrowly) to disrupt the above ignoring completely the issues it would cause in Ireland.

 

[Ruairi77]

He’s a remainer and will say anything to torpedo our exit.......

So when you say ‘we don’t want a border, the EU do’, who’s ‘we’

 

[peteblue]

He's not and you're completely missing the point.

The "war" was ended with a peace settlement - the Good Friday Agreement. That satisfied nationalists on a very wide spectrum.

A fundamental part of that agreement was an open border, the clear right to a reunification vote and the oversight of the EU in a broad sense.

The UK voted (narrowly) to disrupt the above ignoring completely the issues it would cause in Ireland.

He was, and I’m not missing the point.

There was no war, there were terrorist atrocities. The GFA sealed the peace.

The open border will remain open if the U.K. has its way.

The U.K. did not vote to disrupt the above, it just voted to leave the EU. The only people causing a problem for Ireland are the demands from Brussels.......

 

[peteblue]

So when you say ‘we don’t want a border, the EU do’, who’s ‘we’

Me.....and the U.K. government, and everyone I know, apart from Hammond.....

 

[Professor Toffee]

Me.....and the U.K. government, and everyone I know, apart from Hammond.....

Are you Boris?

 

[peteblue]

Are you Boris?

No mate, he’s too much of a Europhile for me......

 

[Neiler]

He was, and I’m not missing the point.

There was no war, there were terrorist atrocities. The GFA sealed the peace.

The open border will remain open if the U.K. has its way.

The U.K. did not vote to disrupt the above, it just voted to leave the EU. The only people causing a problem for Ireland are the demands from Brussels.......

One mans terrorist is another mans army or freedom fighter.

One mans army is another mans terrorist.

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

Are you seriously comparing today’s security services capabilities with those from 1969. Really ?.....

To use your own expression, don't be silly.

 

[Charlie Sweet]

He was, and I’m not missing the point.

There was no war, there were terrorist atrocities. The GFA sealed the peace.

The open border will remain open if the U.K. has its way.

The U.K. did not vote to disrupt the above, it just voted to leave the EU. The only people causing a problem for Ireland are the demands from Brussels.......

Are you deliberately taking the Mick or what?!

"The Troubles" was an awful lot more than a series of terrorist atrocities. That ignores completely either the original civil rights beginnings (which were entirely justified) or the involvement of the UK government in both promoting loyalist paramilitaries or by their very own deeds (e.g. Bloody Sunday).

The GFA was a peace settlement and now the UK government are seemingly dead set on ripping it apart. The GFA has rightly been described as a grand compromise as both sides emerged broadly happy.

The UK cannot blithely keep an open border and you well know that but that now seems irrelevant.

This continual attempt at painting the EU as the great bogeyman is juvennile in the extreme. Ireland is part of the EU. They are one and the same.

 

[Joey66]

Are you deliberately taking the Mick or what?!

"The Troubles" was an awful lot more than a series of terrorist atrocities. That ignores completely either the original civil rights beginnings (which were entirely justified) or the involvement of the UK government in both promoting loyalist paramilitaries or by their very own deeds (e.g. Bloody Sunday).

The GFA was a peace settlement and now the UK government are seemingly dead set on ripping it apart. The GFA has rightly been described as a grand compromise as both sides emerged broadly happy.

The UK cannot blithely keep an open border and you well know that but that now seems irrelevant.

This continual attempt at painting the EU as the great bogeyman is juvennile in the extreme. Ireland is part of the EU. They are one and the same.

Just relate to me what part of the negotiations the EU played in TGF agreement - ATM we have different currencies in Ireland- different rates of VAT- different taxes - with no hard border - who has indicated mentioned a hard border only the EU ...... you can travel to the Republic of Ireland by ferry via Holyhead in North Wales without a passport now only a passport is needed if you fly....
There are that many anomalies yet no hard border is needed untill Brexit.........?
Other EU countries border countries without hard borders ......and goods travel through on random checks ....are the EU on the Brexit issue demanding 100 percent trade checks .....
Bully boys.......

 

[peteblue]

Are you deliberately taking the Mick or what?!

"The Troubles" was an awful lot more than a series of terrorist atrocities. That ignores completely either the original civil rights beginnings (which were entirely justified) or the involvement of the UK government in both promoting loyalist paramilitaries or by their very own deeds (e.g. Bloody Sunday).

The GFA was a peace settlement and now the UK government are seemingly dead set on ripping it apart. The GFA has rightly been described as a grand compromise as both sides emerged broadly happy.

The UK cannot blithely keep an open border and you well know that but that now seems irrelevant.

This continual attempt at painting the EU as the great bogeyman is juvennile in the extreme. Ireland is part of the EU. They are one and the same.

You can pretend all you want, but it was not a war. A war has a specific legal meaning which would have resulted in the destruction of all IRA related activities and people. You are ignoring the fact that the British army went into NI to protect the Catholic population.

The GFA is not being ripped apart, some of you just need to get a grip.

The U.K. can leave any border it wants open and no one else can do anything about that.

It is only the EU that wants a hard border.

The ROI is indeed part of the EU and I hope you continue to enjoy it’s benefits......